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Peter Friedman

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
268 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

In a lot of different ways, including cash.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Not more cash than anybody, but I put cash in it.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

So you have to look at all those things and say, what could you do?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Millions of dollars, we wouldn't even bother looking, because we know the intrinsic value of the company and where we believe we can get it is much, much higher than that.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Now, if somebody came along with a certain number and it was all cash, yeah, we go, well, that's a fast discussion, but there's an in-between number where you gotta go, hmm, we know and believe that over the next several years, we can build out the value of the company to a certain level,

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Why doesn't the market see that, though?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

There's time, value, and risk elements.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Well, I'll make that even worse.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

We have $2.5 to $4 million in cash.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

We keep adding that fraction of our cash.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

So why?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Because they don't know we're here.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

And because the stock market is not the efficiency thing that people say, unless you want to say, well, they don't know you're here.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

And essentially, most internet tech companies, most, first off, most are valued on a private thing that's a function of investors driving up from round to round independent of the value of the business.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

That's just true.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

Now, they go public, and a lot of things like that is still often based on kind of hype and where it's going.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

We fell out of that world

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

In 2001, when we survived, nobody did.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

And there have been points, like when our revenue jumped 70% one year, the stock went from $0.05 to $0.70 for a while, stabilized out at $0.40.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
905 Went Public, $650m Market Cap, Crashed, Now $10m ARR But Only $1.8m Market Cap, Why?

But when we didn't see the growth again, and then we started losing money, even though it's on purpose, it fell back down to the sort of $0.05 range.