Peter Mansbridge

And the MAGA crowd, they all treated him, brought him to the U.S., had him speak at their conventions and all kinds of stuff like that.

But it became clear in the last couple of months that he was in trouble in his home country.

And it certainly proved that way to the point where he conceded.

No fight, no attempt to try and say it was all rigged, I'm not accepting the results.

He conceded defeat.

And which must come as a, you know, in spite of the warning signs that he was in trouble, it must come as a shock to the right-wing contingent in other countries in Europe that this has happened to the guy who was looked at as, you know, the classic...

right-wing politician, authoritarian figure who had made good and was winning.

You mentioned Michael Ignatieff earlier because he was the head of the university, one of the universities in Hungary.

He showed incredible braveness too through some of the most difficult times for him.

I remember being in Budapest and interviewing him.

We were in a park in downtown Budapest and

You know, you couldn't help but be constantly sort of looking around as he was watching and listening.

But, you know, he was very careful about how he...

how he acted through that period because he had a lot to be concerned about, not only his own situation, but the staff and the students of the university.

But he was remarkable through that.

He's so courageous.

Yeah.

Now he's writing some great pieces for Walrus.

You know, his political career was not good.

It didn't work.