Peter Mansbridge

He wasn't cut out for it.

But that's a minor play compared with what he's been through in the last few years and has every right to have his head held high.

Okay, one more thing we've got to squeeze in here.

Okay, you go first.

Well, I'm glad you put all that on the table because for any of us who thought

that the dangers and the risks were over with a ceasefire.

They're not, it's still just as dangerous and still just as risky and perhaps even more so, um, in the current situation.

Okay.

This is related to the last point and we only have a minute or so for it.

The Pope, the Pope, Pope Leo, um, has become this, I mean, he was already a world figure, but now he's a world figure that people are watching.

Guy's from Chicago.

He's an American, first American Pope.

But he's taking on Trump directly.

Yeah.

Does that make a difference in today's world?

Well, it's a heck of a story watching him and the things he's saying and the confidence in which he says them and the fact he speaks the language.

Yes.

Right.

So comfortably, obviously, he's from Chicago.

He talks like a Chicago guy.