Peter O'Dwyer

And as Paul called out, you can't go too gung-ho that way because that unleashes the forces of populism more.

So I thought he was interesting that despite the missteps, he actually thinks the policy platform isn't too wide of the mark.

He just needs to, Starmer needs to get better at doing politics, I think.

Yeah, so Vodafone, as you say, like they're one of the leading companies in the telco space in the country.

And as you get into in the interview, they also about a decade ago had this joint venture with ESB, which is called Syro, which got them into the broadband game as well, which was a kind of another string to their bow.

So along with the likes of Air and 3, like they're one of the major companies in the telco space.

They've kind of been, they're almost, they feel like the incumbent.

They've been around for a long, long time.

Back when mobile phones were first coming out, it seemed to be Vodafone that was largely Vodafone in 2002, I think, back in the day as it was.

They're a company that in some ways, again, go a little bit under the radar here.

Some of those companies that have their offshoot in Ireland rather than being based and listed here sometimes go a little under the radar.

So it was good.

Like, I wasn't terribly familiar with her before the interview.

since the days of Anne O'Leary maybe, not terribly, you know, keeping tabs on what Vodafone has been up to.

So it was a good interview in the sense of it was broad, it covered a lot of like the nuts and bolts of the business, but also into regulation, into work from home, into competition in the market and obviously a bit personally on herself as well.

It always has been, in fairness.

You know, there's some sectors of the economy that maybe you'd say aren't as competitive.

Telcos have always been super competitive and have been going back decades in all sorts of countries.

It's just one of those markets.

Yeah.