Peter O'Dwyer

They have their parent as well.

But I don't see an inevitable kind of slippage in the vote of one position, certainly not in the short term.

Yeah, and it's quite like the, when we talk about broadband, like Starlink, you know, that's satellite based.

That was kind of one of the things that was held out there for the black spots in a broadband sense for, you know, valleys and rural Cork and Kerry before the national broadband plan was to reach them.

So that's interesting.

Like on 5G, there was such a, each generation of that technology, there was huge uptake.

And then it seemed to stall a little bit around 5G.

Again, I need to go and look at the numbers to see how good the take up is now.

But I think that was slower than all of the telcos would have anticipated.

So I think whoever can gain the greatest traction there is going to do very well.

Now that you say it, when you think about the look of phone shops these days, as in the Vodafone and Threes of the World, they look like coffee shops.

They look like lounges.

You know, they've gone over the days of just the wall-to-wall handsets along every corridor.

So when a lot of people are pulling back from retail, it seems like they still see real value in it.

I suppose that's understandable.

There's a tangible something to be held and tried out.

Of course, you can get your phone online, you can sign up, you can do whatever, but...

Yeah, it's one of those industries that I suppose you still need to go in and see the handset and feel the benefit of it.

Well, as you say, I like talking to these guys who are actually doing the work.

Because we do a lot of talking about the policy and the kind of the infrastructure, the architecture within which they operate.