Peter O'Dwyer

for several tenures of a CEO being in power to do two of them at once.

I mean, he should go tout his wares to the IMI or Harvard or somebody for a crisis management course.

Incredible to have to deal with both of those at the same time.

So, yes, I suppose people are quicker to forgive that because of the imperative at the time and because it was unprecedented.

People are sore to forgive a bike shed because they feel like a bike shed, you know.

Is a bike shed.

Is a bike shed.

Is a bike shed.

What I thought was interesting, and in one way it's a really simple, obvious point, but he was talking about at the start how it did feel overwhelming.

It was hard to put any sort of shape on a response to the pandemic.

But one day they had the briefing with the other state bodies, with the defense forces and everybody else.

And even though they were probably no further along operationally in tackling it, he felt, okay, now we have a handle on it.

I know I have the support of others.

I know the expertise of the various bodies will be there.

Now I kind of feel I'm ready to put a plan in place to deal with it.

It's a super simple and obvious point of like you have to start somewhere, but it shows the value of like one day's work can make what is an entirely untackleable, if that's even a word.

That's great.

It's a great word.

I'll sense check that one afterwards into something that while still huge and overwhelming is kind of manageable.

And I just thought he was good talking about that.