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Peter S. Goodman

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248 total appearances

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The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And even if an American company were trying to do this, it would be new to them because we, it turns out, don't have regulations governing this particular industry at the county and the municipal level.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

level.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Correct.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So TSMC actually has to write 18,000 rules that they then have to comply with while they're trying to figure out like, well, let's see, you've got this federally administered clean air program, but it's the

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We actually have to deal with to get the permit.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And they have to write the language.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

18,000 rules cost them $35 million.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Just to write the rules.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Just to write the rules, it turns out.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Correct.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

But this is like the frontier, right?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So they actually have to get down into the nitty gritty of educating the people who are supposed to be regulating them on what it is that they're doing and what could go wrong and how it needs to be done.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

What's the most intriguing rule you came across?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Well, at one point, there was a supplier, a company called Lindy, that makes air separation equipment.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

The inside of these computer chip factories has to have really pure air.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And so they pipe in this clean air from a neighboring plant.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And just to move...

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

a mound of dirt and then leave part of the mound in place required 15 different permits and more than 15 different inspections.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Right.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Then they quickly figure out that there aren't enough people with the right sorts of skills to build one of these plants.