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Peter S. Goodman

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248 total appearances

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The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

These plants have to be built to extraordinary specificity.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of an industrial magic trick to make a computer chip, and it involves, you know, beaming light onto tiny pieces of silicon.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

It's sort of like a photographic negative.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We're talking about...

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

fractions of a thousandth of a percent of the width of a human hair.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Things have to be just so.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And in Taiwan, there are thousands of people who've come through an apprentice system, who've actually participated in building fabs.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

The last time we completed a large-scale fab in the computer chip industry in the United States was 13 years ago.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So we just simply don't have the muscle memory to

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

to build one of these plants.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We can't do this without relying on places that have this expertise.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And those are places in East Asia.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

They start bringing in specialized workers from Taiwan, which immediately causes, you know, major animosity with local unions.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And the local unions say, well, hold on a second.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

If the federal government's writing a check for six plus billion dollars...

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We should be getting the job.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And TSMC says, you will be getting thousands of jobs.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

But to get this thing off and running right now, we got to go find some people who know how to install the specialized, highly advanced equipment that goes into these plants.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So they bring in people to do that.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So eventually the unions win some promises that TSMC will hire a certain number of workers and peace reigns with the unions.