Peter Singer

And then elsewhere in the world, China has dramatically increased its production of animal products all through factory farming and with pretty much no animal welfare constraints.

So I would not say globally that there's been an improvement.

There has been some regional improvements.

There certainly are advocacy efforts going on, yes, in many countries, including the US, and to some extent in India, which is another very large country, much less in China.

There's some animal welfare movement in China, but it's mostly focused on dogs and cats.

So it's difficult.

And there are a lot of myths like what you said about a lot of people think that things are getting better.

If you ask Americans, for example, do they eat products from factory farms, the proportion of people who say, oh, I only eat sort of free range or animal welfare friendly animals,

vastly outnumbers the extent to which there is such prediction.

For example, in chicken meat, the number of chickens who are not in factory farms is two in every thousand.

So 99.8% of chickens produced in the United States are in factory farms.

And yet the number of people who say, oh, they only eat free range and who eat chicken is maybe 10% of the population or more.

It's somewhat easier.

So I'm not sure how it is now in the EU.

I think you can get eggs properly labelled as free-range and in the UK as well.

Here in Australia too we have eggs labelled free-range.

In the US actually there are –

It's quite easy to get eggs labeled cage-free, but cage-free doesn't mean free-range because they might still be confined in a big shed and you might still have thousands of birds in the shed.

So, you know, genuinely free-range is hard to find.

Here in Australia now we're getting producers who actually –