Peter Van Sant

And because I still think this is a case that has unanswered questions, that there are people living today who know those answers. You know, Maggie, what this is like, people tend over the course of time to tell confidential stories to friends, associates, people they trust, family members or things.

I still think the truth is out there somewhere, and I'm hoping that this spurs a greater discussion and perhaps a second look.

I still think the truth is out there somewhere, and I'm hoping that this spurs a greater discussion and perhaps a second look.

Once his story is shown to be a lie, could they reopen? I believe they could reopen sentencing on that with dramatic new evidence like this. I think also, if that's a lie, What about other things that we heard during the course of this trial? Are those lies as well?

Once his story is shown to be a lie, could they reopen? I believe they could reopen sentencing on that with dramatic new evidence like this. I think also, if that's a lie, What about other things that we heard during the course of this trial? Are those lies as well?

I'm going to let your listeners and viewers use their own imagination because we want to be able to put this on and have that discussion, but it may open up other venues toward other people in this case. Don't forget that after Oakes goes to prison, Linda Updike raised one of his children and financially supported the others.

I'm going to let your listeners and viewers use their own imagination because we want to be able to put this on and have that discussion, but it may open up other venues toward other people in this case. Don't forget that after Oakes goes to prison, Linda Updike raised one of his children and financially supported the others.

She described their relationship at the time as a love affair that was legendary. That's the word that she used. We were able to speak with Michael Oakes, and he did not want to discuss the nature of his relationship today with Linda. He said, I'm not going to violate her privacy.

She described their relationship at the time as a love affair that was legendary. That's the word that she used. We were able to speak with Michael Oakes, and he did not want to discuss the nature of his relationship today with Linda. He said, I'm not going to violate her privacy.

And he didn't want to discuss the relationship with the children and things, but we just know that she had, through others, that she raised one of his children. But there's so many... currents that are running through this so many questions still out there in this security camera video this was not the night before the killing this was a few days earlier where

And he didn't want to discuss the relationship with the children and things, but we just know that she had, through others, that she raised one of his children. But there's so many... currents that are running through this so many questions still out there in this security camera video this was not the night before the killing this was a few days earlier where

Michael Oakes is seen putting a case in the back of his vehicle at Linda's house on the security camera. And it appears to be a gun case. And then they do a hug that goes on forever. And she's six foot tall and he's five, seven, five, six. And she's just draped over him on this hug. And that hug goes on for, it's like 30 seconds. I always characterized it.

Michael Oakes is seen putting a case in the back of his vehicle at Linda's house on the security camera. And it appears to be a gun case. And then they do a hug that goes on forever. And she's six foot tall and he's five, seven, five, six. And she's just draped over him on this hug. And that hug goes on for, it's like 30 seconds. I always characterized it.

It was like she was hugging her knight who was going off to slay a dragon. And, um, It goes on forever. Now, I asked her about that. Oh, no, we just hate being apart. We love each other so much. He went over to the west side of the mountains and returned. And we know nothing happened during the course of that trip.

It was like she was hugging her knight who was going off to slay a dragon. And, um, It goes on forever. Now, I asked her about that. Oh, no, we just hate being apart. We love each other so much. He went over to the west side of the mountains and returned. And we know nothing happened during the course of that trip.

But I've always thought that's a little precursor, perhaps, of something that was going to occur a few days later. And all of that is intriguing. And so I want people to get into this rack your true crime brains thing. People who listen to your show, they're sleuths. They are amateur detectives. Some of them are much more savvy than I am.

But I've always thought that's a little precursor, perhaps, of something that was going to occur a few days later. And all of that is intriguing. And so I want people to get into this rack your true crime brains thing. People who listen to your show, they're sleuths. They are amateur detectives. Some of them are much more savvy than I am.

And let's see where this goes, because I just think this is not over, this story.

And let's see where this goes, because I just think this is not over, this story.

It's Trained to Kill, The Dog Trainer, The Heiress, and The Bodyguard. I've read it about 15 times. Wherever you get your podcasts, you can find this. But for those who are watching this who are familiar with my work and know how hard I prepare for these things, I was deeply involved in the production of this. So it has the Van Sant brand on it.