Peter Whelan

Now,

Okay, look, there are problems in Ballymun.

No one is trying to hear.

Aaron's not trying to say there isn't.

Nobody that I've heard so far is saying there isn't.

But let's look at the issues.

And that lady that moved from Finglas to Ashbourne, she made some very good points.

And one of the things is, what that guard said to her, it's the revolving door problem.

This is systematic.

This has to start with the judicial system.

We have to have, first of all, more prison spaces.

And Ciarán, you touched on it.

If somebody knows that they're not going to get put away for something that is against the law, they're going to keep doing it.

It's not rocket science.

So we have to give the Gardaí the powers that they deserve.

If I was doing the Gardaí's job, I would be frustrated because I'd be saying, oh, here we go again.

I have to go down to the local shop, pick up these tow rags, that would be what they'd be thinking, and put them in the back of the car.

There could be someone down, an elderly woman looking at the house being broken into.

Who do I go to?

So we're down with them and we're bringing them into the revolving door system.