Phil Liu

But I still like learn to code and had different projects on the side.

And after that project, I said, well, I'm not really into game, actually.

I think I just want to go back to create a web business.

So at that point, I thought, what problem did I face while organizing that game festival?

One of them was security.

like printing the name badges before the event, right?

So like when people arrive at the event, you just want to end like the name badge so people know like, are you from a game company or, you know, are you a press VIP or a participant or whatnot?

And so it just sucked like the day before to just like go on Excel, do a mail merge and print those badges.

So like, oh, just going to create like a web tool.

so organizer can actually import like an Excel spreadsheet.

And then we just like print the badges for them and ship them, right?

So that was basically the idea.

So that's where in my co-working space that I also started by the side, I actually met my co-founder and decided to work on that idea with them, right?

And- Phil, did you guys decide to split the company 50-50 early on?

uh no so it's a company was 50 uh 50 me 50 them because i i had a kind of you know bootstrap the product uh it was split 50 50 50 yeah yeah okay yeah exactly and just because again i want to get as much of your missive story as possible and it's a quick show so i don't mean to cut you off but let's let's jump into missive so you start working you pivot from this spreadsheet tool for name badges i imagine that matt you've been pivoting to miss about from that is that right

Yes, exactly.

So conference was successful.

So we launched it.

Evan Bright wrote to us.

They saw we were paying their API and said, oh, are you creating a tool to print badges?