Phil Robertson

And that really does personify.

So I just thought the metaphor of it was beautiful.

And it spoke to me as that's me, just like it did to you.

And that's what the cross does.

It should...

personalize it for every single one of us.

We already got one fanboy here.

But Jace, there were three pages in the book that dealt, I felt like, directly with that.

And Tim, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but when you had the picture where it got dark and the cross is wondering what's happening here, where did this darkness come from?

And then Jesus utters the words, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

In that moment to realize the heaviness that was there and the darkness is there that comes before, of course, the light that shines later.

I felt like that spoke to that so powerfully in the idea.

But even the Godhead itself, you know, and all of creation in that moment realizes the bigness of that moment, you know.

And so that was another powerful scene to me in the book.

So we're almost out of time.

I want to say one thing.

So, look, I got one last thing to say, Tim.

We're almost out of time, but you mentioned something earlier, and it was just you did it quickly.

But me being a pastor for so many years and preaching so many sermons, you know, and Joby's been on our podcast before, and we love him, by the way.

And he's just such a gift from God.