Phil Robertson

I loved, Tim, that it was the beauty of this personifying of the cross, because the cross is all of us in the book, to me.

He looked and he heard Carpenter, and he thought, maybe I'll be shaped into these dreams and hopes that I want to be.

And then, of course, the world gets him, and it's totally different.

It winds up in this shame, as you mentioned.

And then I love the picture of...

And I never thought about this before.

This was such an outlier for me.

As Jesus is walking ahead and the cross is being carried behind him, he's following Jesus up to Golgotha.

And in that moment, he has a decision to make as the cross.

And when he gets there, he's upset.

He says, I'm put here by this person.

And so he joins in in his mind with all of those that are cursing Jesus and calling all these slurs on him.

Until he sees that love you mentioned in his eyes and then feels his blood.

And then, of course, something changes inside the cross.

And I know that spoke so much to me because just like you just shared.

I mean, that's any of us.

That's all of us.

And the fact that the cross talked about sharing the spikes.

Because not only did they go through Jesus, they went through him.

That's right.