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Phil Trammell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
150 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

Well, I was going to say there's a sense in which nothing's yet been completely automated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

If you look at the network adjusted factor shares of a good, which is to say you look down the supply chain and say, not just like the final step, how much of that is done by capital and labor, but what went into the machines that can automate that final step?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

you'll find that labor's adding a lot of belly down the supply chain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

So like, you know, computer and electronic products in the US have a very stable capital share, network-adjusted capital share of around 50%, it's not 100%.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

I do think there's this qualitative shift that I think we agree is coming, which is that there will be at least some goods whose network-adjusted capital share goes to one, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

Because the whole supply chain can be automated and there's no part in it that we care intrinsically about having a human do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

So that'll be a, you know, that'll be a qualitative shift.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

Interestingly, the implications of that shift for the overall capital share are ambiguous because if we, let's say that we've got the two sectors, the human intrinsic sector with the ballerinas and everything else, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

Right now,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

everything else has been scarce because of the lack of labor in it, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

But if we fully automate the supply chains for everything else, right, and we satiate everything else really fast, then the quantity of everything that's not a ballerina, say, goes to infinity, but...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

or the marginal utility in that stuff goes to zero faster than the quantities rising.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

So if you just looked at the goods available to, you know, a Mongolian of the distant past, no expert on this society, but I know that they didn't have nearly the variety that we have now.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

And

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

They looked at the jobs that were sort of intrinsically human, like being a singer, say, and they looked at the things that were not intrinsically human, like the transportation services provided by their horses or the different kinds of food they had.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

if they just kind of held the varieties fixed in both categories and asked what will happen once we have a lot more automation, they might have said, well, we'll just satiate in horse-like transportation and in yogurt and in yurts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

Those shares will all go to zero and we'll be left spending all of our money on singers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

But of course, that's not what's happened because as we've accumulated more wealth and more advanced machines and so on,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

We've expanded the range of things other than singers to spend our money on, and the share spent on singers has stayed sort of negligible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Alex Imas and Phil Trammell โ€“ What remains scarce after AGI?

So likewise, that's sort of my central prediction about how the future unfolds, though it could go either way.

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