Phil

So there's no equal.

There's no dualism.

He alone is immortal and lives in unapproachable light whom no one has seen or can see to him be honor and glory.

I just I love that picture of the idea about.

this continuation of our humanity in through whatever that last phase is going to look like.

That's very powerful.

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Well, he was able to recreate it in whatever ways then he had the power to do it to be exactly where the wounds were and what they looked like and what they felt like.

And I mean, remember, they ran that spear in there.

And I mean, it would have been a gaping hole in his side.

And so the fact he could do that and would do that shows you the power of suffering and his whole point.

I mean, in other words, when he looked at that, he said, oh, no, this is the guy that definitely died.

As this is airing, if everything goes like it should be going, they will be wrapping the production of a movie about mine and Lisa's life.

More hers than mine.

But, you know, obviously we're in it together.

So 25 years ago, we went through this traumatic affair, response to that.

I'm in ministry.

Everything has just completely changed.

And so it's almost like I was telling the last podcast about mom grieving dad's loss.

Our relationship was lost.