Phil

Everything that had been up until that point, 15 years of being together, was lost because of the gravity and the weight of what we went through.

And so for the first, you know, few years of being back together...

And then Lisa really kind of crossing the Rubicon to be a believer.

Out of that desperate place, that's when she got the lizard off the shoulder, so to speak, and became a different person.

And those early days of walking, I was like, I didn't think I had anything left to offer ministry-wise.

Would we even make it?

How could I ever trust her?

All the things you doubt and you fear.

But then 25 years go by and you start seeing more and more of the ways that God brings glory out of our weaknesses and failures.

And at some point along this 25-year period, I came to the realization that everything that happened, as bad as it was,

happened because now we can have glory in what God can do.

And now we can sit and help other people who were one weekend where we were 25 years ago and they have hope and, and they read the words you write.

Now we're making a movie about it.

Why?

Because we want people to have hope that you can get past this, even infidelity or anything else.

So yeah, Zach, I mean, I, it is amazing.

You don't really know when that, that, that light switch is flipped, but at some point, you know, it happened.

And then all of a sudden you went from like, this was the worst thing that I could ever imagine to, man, God delivered us through a terrible thing that now we have a capacity to help other people.

get through it.

And so you talked about scars.