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Philip Zimbardo

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Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

Boys are suffering. They're not prisoners. That's what she's saying. They're not prisoners in our guards. They're boys and you are responsible. How could you allow this to happen?

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

Boys are suffering. They're not prisoners. That's what she's saying. They're not prisoners in our guards. They're boys and you are responsible. How could you allow this to happen?

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

She says, I don't understand. I know you from other situations. You're a caring, loving professor. You love students. Students love you. How could you see this? There's this chasm between us. I'm over here and you're over here, and we're looking at the same thing, and we see two totally different worlds.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

She says, I don't understand. I know you from other situations. You're a caring, loving professor. You love students. Students love you. How could you see this? There's this chasm between us. I'm over here and you're over here, and we're looking at the same thing, and we see two totally different worlds.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

She says, I don't understand. I know you from other situations. You're a caring, loving professor. You love students. Students love you. How could you see this? There's this chasm between us. I'm over here and you're over here, and we're looking at the same thing, and we see two totally different worlds.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And then she says, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship with you if this is the real you. I thought you were someone else when I started dating you, and I don't know who this is. So that's the ultimate power of a situation to transform. She's looking at me, and she knew me for a number of years as a professor there, and she's looking at me and saying, I don't know who you are.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And then she says, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship with you if this is the real you. I thought you were someone else when I started dating you, and I don't know who this is. So that's the ultimate power of a situation to transform. She's looking at me, and she knew me for a number of years as a professor there, and she's looking at me and saying, I don't know who you are.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And then she says, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship with you if this is the real you. I thought you were someone else when I started dating you, and I don't know who this is. So that's the ultimate power of a situation to transform. She's looking at me, and she knew me for a number of years as a professor there, and she's looking at me and saying, I don't know who you are.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And really what she's saying, do you know who you are? And the answer is no, that this is what I had become is abhorrent. I mean, I fight authoritarianism. I fight, you know, I'm as liberal as most people get. I'm anti-authoritarian, anti-control, anti-structure, all these things. And that's what I became. I mean, I became my worst inner enemy. And at that point, I just stopped.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And really what she's saying, do you know who you are? And the answer is no, that this is what I had become is abhorrent. I mean, I fight authoritarianism. I fight, you know, I'm as liberal as most people get. I'm anti-authoritarian, anti-control, anti-structure, all these things. And that's what I became. I mean, I became my worst inner enemy. And at that point, I just stopped.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

And really what she's saying, do you know who you are? And the answer is no, that this is what I had become is abhorrent. I mean, I fight authoritarianism. I fight, you know, I'm as liberal as most people get. I'm anti-authoritarian, anti-control, anti-structure, all these things. And that's what I became. I mean, I became my worst inner enemy. And at that point, I just stopped.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

I mean, I think it's when she said, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship. It was like a double slap in the face. I said, oh my God, what's happened to me? It was really like, she should have just shook me and said, wake up, the dream is over, the game is over.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

I mean, I think it's when she said, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship. It was like a double slap in the face. I said, oh my God, what's happened to me? It was really like, she should have just shook me and said, wake up, the dream is over, the game is over.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

I mean, I think it's when she said, I'm not sure I want to continue my relationship. It was like a double slap in the face. I said, oh my God, what's happened to me? It was really like, she should have just shook me and said, wake up, the dream is over, the game is over.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

Then we had all the prisoners come together to debrief. We spent hours. Then all the guards separately, and then the prisoners and guards. Because I used that as a moral re-education. Because I could say, we all did bad things, including me. What do we learn from this? We learn about the power of the situation. We learn to be aware of how easy each of us can get seduced into a role.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

Then we had all the prisoners come together to debrief. We spent hours. Then all the guards separately, and then the prisoners and guards. Because I used that as a moral re-education. Because I could say, we all did bad things, including me. What do we learn from this? We learn about the power of the situation. We learn to be aware of how easy each of us can get seduced into a role.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

Then we had all the prisoners come together to debrief. We spent hours. Then all the guards separately, and then the prisoners and guards. Because I used that as a moral re-education. Because I could say, we all did bad things, including me. What do we learn from this? We learn about the power of the situation. We learn to be aware of how easy each of us can get seduced into a role.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

They said, I don't know, I probably would have played by the rules, but I would not have been as creative. That the worst guards were the ones who clearly went beyond the rules. That is, it was clear what you had to do to be a guard, and it was going beyond the boundary of your role. that in every role there's a moral latitude. And clearly some guards went beyond it.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

They said, I don't know, I probably would have played by the rules, but I would not have been as creative. That the worst guards were the ones who clearly went beyond the rules. That is, it was clear what you had to do to be a guard, and it was going beyond the boundary of your role. that in every role there's a moral latitude. And clearly some guards went beyond it.

Hidden Brain
How Monsters are Made

They said, I don't know, I probably would have played by the rules, but I would not have been as creative. That the worst guards were the ones who clearly went beyond the rules. That is, it was clear what you had to do to be a guard, and it was going beyond the boundary of your role. that in every role there's a moral latitude. And clearly some guards went beyond it.