Philippa Perry

You know, if you just accept someone when they're in the throes of shame and you can have shame about all sorts of things like, oh, I don't really belong here.

I don't really belong.

When I did this, you know, big psychotherapy week with my colleagues, a lot of us were going, oh, I'm not sure whether I belong.

And that's what we worked on.

And so interesting that, you know, you can be an advanced psychotherapist and you can still think, do I really belong in this group of advanced psychotherapists?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I was not used to that.

I was right.

I dropped a tray of coffee.

Right.

And I immediately thought, oh, I've got to clean this up really quickly before anybody notices.

That was my reaction.

And he's thinking, where's my coffee?

Comes out and goes, oh, you poor thing.

I think, oh, no one's ever reacted like that before.

Most people are saying you klutz.

You know, so someone should say, oh, you poor thing.

Not that I minded somebody saying you klutz, but this was really different.

Yeah.