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Phoebe Judge

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6806 total appearances

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Once Karen caught Gil cheating on her.

But then they would always get back together.

They got married in 1980.

They had two children.

Gil was often out late with people who Karen didn't know.

He'd come home drunk a lot.

Once he came home with a bruised chest because he'd crashed their car.

Another time, the police showed up at their house looking for Gil.

Karen didn't know why.

Once Gil locked himself in the bathroom, Karen thought he was doing drugs.

When he opened the door, he showed her a gun.

He held it up to his head and then pointed it at her stomach.

She was pregnant at the time, with their second daughter.

He said it wasn't loaded, but when she hit the gun out of his hand, it went off in the sink.

She thought about leaving, but she says at the time, she still loved Gil.

They'd been together for about a decade, and she couldn't imagine a life without him.

In 1988, Karen and Gil were living just north of San Francisco.

They went down to Los Angeles for business a lot.

Sometimes they took the kids.

They stayed at their friend Vinny's house.