Gone
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What prompted Karen Palmer to leave California with her family?
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We really left overnight. You know, I had a job. I was working for a semiconductor firm just outside Santa Cruz, and I just one day didn't go to work.
This is Karen Palmer. That's not the name she was born with. She changed it in 1989 after she and her new husband and two daughters went on the run. Her children, Amy and Aaron, were three and seven. What did you tell your daughters about what was happening?
You know, the little one, she was so little, she didn't understand anything. Erin was enough older that she knew what was happening around her on some level. And we told her, we're going to go live somewhere where we're safe. Erin never told a soul. I think, you know, somewhere inside her, she knew that it was important, and she wanted to help.
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For almost a year, Karen's ex-husband Gil had been threatening and stalking them. It started when Karen left him. They've been married for eight years. Karen met Gil when she was 17. He owned the office supply company where she worked as a secretary.
Gil was talkative. You know, it's like he could gab a million miles an hour and he had tons of friends and he had this successful business. He was very charismatic and he would tell these stories. incredible stories about having grown up in New York and having been in the army and starting the business and he was a good storyteller and that interested me. So we would just sit there and at a certain point he asked me, do you want to be my girlfriend? And I was taken aback And he said, you don't have to answer me right now. Why don't you think about it? And we can talk about it another time. And there was something about this approach that was so gentle that I felt, well, why not? Why not? I like him. Maybe I could be his girlfriend.
When I think back on it now, I think often, you know, what did he think he was doing with somebody my age? How old was he? He was 36 to my 17.
What were the circumstances surrounding Karen's marriage to Gil?
Karen and Gil dated for seven years. They broke up a few times. Once Karen caught Gil cheating on her. But then they would always get back together. They got married in 1980. They had two children. Gil was often out late with people who Karen didn't know. He'd come home drunk a lot. Once he came home with a bruised chest because he'd crashed their car. Another time, the police showed up at their house looking for Gil. Karen didn't know why.
He was doing things that I wasn't aware of. He was selling stolen merchandise. And I did know that he had multiple forms of identification. He had several driver's licenses in different names. And I was just kind of flabbergasted at it. But he would pull that out at parties, like a party trick, that he had been able to do this. And I thought it was just a party trick.
Once Gil locked himself in the bathroom, Karen thought he was doing drugs. When he opened the door, he showed her a gun. He held it up to his head and then pointed it at her stomach.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What prompted Karen Palmer to leave California with her family?
0:00–4:37
2
What were the circumstances surrounding Karen's marriage to Gil?
4:37–8:27
3
How did Gil's behavior change after their marriage?
8:27–12:43
4
What led to Karen's decision to go into hiding?
12:43–17:07
5
What challenges did Karen face while trying to protect her children?
17:07–27:09
6
How did Karen and Vinny prepare for their new life on the run?
27:09–35:14
7
What was the process of changing their identities like?
35:14–44:15
8
How did Karen cope with the aftermath of her past relationship?
44:15–49:02