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Pierre Elias

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
144 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

An echocardiogram costs a few thousand dollars.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It's an hour-long procedure where they look at the heart in a bunch of different angles.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And so we end up in a situation where the way we diagnose cardiovascular disease is either too expensive or too invasive to do at a population level.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So we wait until patients oftentimes present with symptoms, which is late in their disease course, and patients have worse outcomes because of that.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Okay, so all you need to do is what then?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

All you need to do is magically find a way to create a cheap, ubiquitous test that can screen for the most common cause of death in the world.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And I became obsessed with this.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I asked myself, well, is there anything that we're doing today that could fill that role?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And what I came up with was the humble electrocardiogram.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So if you've watched any medical drama and you see the squiggly lines in the background that go beep, beep, beep, that's an electrocardiogram where we measure the surface electrical activity of the heart.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

If you have an Apple Watch, you can do a one lead electrocardiogram right now.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

We are taught from medical school onwards that you cannot diagnose those diseases with an electrocardiogram.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It's simply taught as not possible.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

But we asked ourselves, could AI do exactly that?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

one of our first AI models, and we were shocked to find that it worked really well.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

We tested it on nearly 20,000 patients in a retrospective dataset, and we found this AI model could outpredict me in trying to find valvular heart disease from the electrocardiogram.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And then we asked ourselves, well, could we find all forms of structural heart disease

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

from an electrocardiogram.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And that set us off on this journey of the last five years, where we built this technology called Echo Next, which looks at an electrocardiogram and tells us, does this patient have structural heart disease or not?