Pierre Poilievre

And I wonder, someone like yourself who's against this sort of DEI ideology, how do you contend with systemic institutional discrimination towards certain groups which does pose objectively real disadvantage on them being able to climb the ladder?

Because you said something earlier about your goal being in Canada to make sure everybody has a fair shot.

That's right.

how does one counteract the systemic issues around race or gender or whatever it might be that stop that being possible?

Because I find myself in an interesting position where, like, on one end, I'm like, I want to be treated like everybody else.

And I've always felt that way.

And I've always actually, to some degree, cringed a little bit when I felt like someone was...

giving me special treatment because my skin colour was different, because it in some way made me feel like I was at a disadvantage, which I know can become quite self-fulfilling.

However, on the other side of the spectrum, I do also believe that there is systemic discrimination that is going to hold certain groups back if there isn't something done to level that playing field.

People aren't colourblind, though, are they?

I think my dad said to me when I was younger, he said, everybody's prejudice.

I remember sitting in the back of the car.

My dad's white.

And I'm thinking, my dad just said that he thinks everyone might be racist and everyone's prejudiced.

I'm like, is my dad racist?

But as I've gotten older, I realised that he, to some degree, is telling the truth, that prejudice is part of how we survived as humans and we're able to understand danger from not.

So prejudice is something that I think is very prevalent in society, whether we...

believe we're not and everyone else is.

So if prejudice is very prevalent in society, does there need to be measures that counteract that to give everybody a fair chance?

How does one contend with the systemic issues though, like the prejudices?