Pierre Walshtrom

I like the way that organizations protect our animals.

We need them.

We must have an opposite side to all this violence going on around the world.

I 100% agree and it's true.

I put a lot of attention now to teach people that leadership is not violence.

Leadership is not a question of corrections or number of how many times you have to correct your dog.

How is the situation?

Come on, tell me a little bit.

Wow.

But, you know, it's a passion, you know, Ivan.

It's a passion for you and you love... You know, I try to explain this sometimes for people that it's very hard to explain it because it's more like... I can understand artists, you know, who are painting or people who are writing music.

It's more like a stimulation for them to fulfill their...

their soul.

You know what I mean?

If they are not allowed to paint, they get crazy.

So for some people, for your example, it's more like an art.

It's a way of life.

And when they say to you to stop training, it's like saying to someone to stop

But you know, that is exactly what these people do, the arts.

I mean,