Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
I like the way that organizations protect our animals. We need them. We must have an opposite side to all this violence going on around the world.
There is something about adversity in any animal. We all try to push our limits and try to overcome some form of adversity. You grow from it.
I 100% agree and it's true. I put a lot of attention now to teach people that leadership is not violence. Leadership is not a question of corrections or number of how many times you have to correct your dog.
It's a normal way of life.
Here we go.
How is the situation? Come on, tell me a little bit.
It's been a long, long time. It's been a long time. So I am, I mean, I'm kind of like you. I don't think we know how to stop this dog training stuff. You know, like, I don't think we can stop. I am, I have, I have, um, so I have my close to four or five years old now dog that, you know, I'm competing with. This is going to be like hopefully the first year going to the big championships.
I got a female that is two years younger. I have a male that is four years younger. And I have another female that I'm actually doing monduring with.
Wow.
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Chapter 2: How does leadership in dog training differ from violence?
And I feel it's kind of weird, but I cannot let them go to somebody else. I'm like really enjoying the training, you know, and fortunately enough for right now, at least I can, I can spend the time I have. I mean, not that I have time, but I can, I'm making it work. I'm making it work.
But, you know, it's a passion, you know, Ivan. It's a passion for you and you love... You know, I try to explain this sometimes for people that it's very hard to explain it because it's more like... I can understand artists, you know, who are painting or people who are writing music. It's more like a stimulation for them to fulfill their... their soul. You know what I mean?
If they are not allowed to paint, they get crazy. So for some people, for your example, it's more like an art. It's a way of life. And when they say to you to stop training, it's like saying to someone to stop
playing music or or painting a painting you know what i mean just to tell picasso to stop stop painting yeah this is a really good example actually because um even though a painter's painting they never paint the same picture and i think with dog training is very much similar sometimes they're the type of trainers that they can be for very long time in the game but
but it's always looking for different interesting things. And that's, I think, what keeps it going instead of, okay, well, I know how to do it and I stay with what I know instead of trying to push the door and see what happens if I take it this way. I think that's where it gets interesting eventually.
But you know, that is exactly what these people do, the arts. I mean, the thing that they can catch our attention with different paintings is because they go out of the box all the time and surprise. I have no idea about painting, you know what I mean? But I can understand the people who have good knowledge and can evaluate and give a number of money of a painting, you know what I mean?
I have no idea, but I can understand them. And the same is, I think it's with you, and I feel also like that, and people have been in the sport a long time. It's also very hard to promote training with on demand. So so that the competitions is a little bit against our paintings, our art for training, because the training, the freedom of exploration,
The training is more important for us than the result. Then we are competitive people. Of course, we hate to lose. And that pushes us to do stupid things, to push us to paint with our emotions like the same, maybe. Now we get very deep, I'm sorry, but... I cannot explain this for so many people than, for example, you and a couple of more people more. Knut and I have a nice discussion, Fuchs.
He's the same type of guy. He only loves animals, you know what I mean?
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Chapter 3: What challenges do trainers face before competitions?
Yeah, Mattias and also Peto and Jacques and... Yeah. What they do to try to at least build up a community with knowledge and educate people, that's very nice. That's the way to do it. And I... Patricia, sorry. What they are doing is super clever. Oh, you mean the canine sports? Yes, of course. 100%. I'm stupid, tired of my head. Not getting the name directly. Thank you, Ivan.
What they are doing is fantastic work because there is a lot of knowledge. These people are like world champions. They are competing. They have
good of feelings feeling for dogs what the work they do together with yeah together and we are a little bit involved in it we could do more i could do much more i hope i can do much more when i get retired to helping if i can i get critic because i put more attention to my social media and try to change that way i agree that i should do it more uh directly.
But I also know that my messages on social media change things. People on different levels are listening and hearing. We can do it on different, but I could be better to join that type of initiative for sure. All of us should be better to do it because if we go with one hand and say, this is like, we're talking about thousands of people with good knowledge.
If we decide that this is the way we will go, we will have power for sure.
What is interesting right now for me from being in the States where we started can use training tools, we can train dogs, and still be extremely concerned, actually, about ethical dog training and not accept anything abusive. I think, I mean, I understand that it's super difficult for Europe because already the ground's been set to what is appropriate and what is not.
However, it's based on just a false narrative, on a fairy tale. It's really a fairy tale. There is no, like whenever they say that they have science-based training and evidence training and so those cliche words, the evidence is never really there. But like the sports community, especially protection sports, we are trying to educate.
Don't you think that Europeans are, just as a whole, going a little bit overboard to try to present the dog always in this very you know, beautiful picture to where they're just the man best friend and they are all the same and they all can fit into the same style of training and that they have the same personalities.
You know, like they're dogs that, you know, they, like how we would say in English, the one glove doesn't fit everybody, you know? And it doesn't make, it doesn't take away ethical and moral and humane training. It doesn't take, again, it's very interesting and we are starting to paint a picture of a dog that's, of course, there is this kind of dog But then there is other dogs and other dogs.
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Chapter 4: What are the differences in dog training culture between the USA and Europe?
Dogs are not supposed to be always... Again, they're the dogs that are friendly to everybody, but not every dog wants to be friendly to anybody. And that's not a wrong thing. We just need to understand to control it. Just like a dog, when I talk about... We have this discussion with force-free trainers, and they would say, well, my dog doesn't chase a squirrel. And I'm like, yeah, my...
One of my dogs, you can put him with five squirrels, three rabbits, and chicken, and he will do nothing. But then there was the other dog of mine that if he sees a squirrel, he skips a heartbeat, and he wants that squirrel. I mean, it's like a, you know, and that's nature. We cannot pretend that it's not there. And if we...
Chapter 5: How does aggression management in dog training vary across regions?
I don't know, man. I'm just talking.
Yeah, no, I understand. You started a little bit about the different training equipments and stuff like this and difference between USA and Europe. And then you continue a little bit about this cultural relations to dogs in different parts of the world. I mean, still in the east part of Europe, this is totally acceptable to have the guard dogs, to have dogs that really can guard your property.
You're more Western, you come, we talk about more like pet dogs, you know? Yes. If any dog had any attitude, people have major problems today to handle that. We call it like extrovert behaves or dominant behaves or whatever.
Chapter 6: What are the key traits to evaluate in working dogs?
In the Western Europe, we have totally lost the knowledge of how to use that kind of dogs or train this kind of dogs. Yes. That's a general problem today because we talked about it this week when I was at work that people have forgot to open the dog's aggression or close the dog's aggression or handle a dog during stress or whatever.
And they solve everything with a ball or a candy or they get surprised when the dog show up extrovert behaves. In Sweden we have this muscle, you know, the muscle cage, the muscle work, you know? Yeah, muscle, yeah. And if you open the dogs in aggression to use the muscle too early, you need to have control over the dog, you know what I mean?
And if you cannot have control over your dog, don't open the dog, for God's sake. Don't open them in that behaves.
Yes.
So that's another million-dollar question. About the equipment, this is a non-question nowadays in our part of the world. I mean, I'm still a military officer in the armed forces and working with animals, with dogs. I mean, we get two years in prison if they catch us with wrong tools. Up to, I can tell you. I have not believed anyone yet, but
But then we can go to the neighbor country, Norway, where they need to use, for example, electric collars on dogs who are walking, hunting dogs who are walking in the mountains, because they are not allowed to bite the sheeps. So they have to have a certificate that they don't bite on sheeps, for example. That is like one, two hours driving from our country. I don't protect those equipments.
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Chapter 7: How can tracking techniques be improved for better dog performance?
I can tell you that it's forbidden in most of Europe.
Yes.
99, when Sweden started the first time with the team in the world championship, people were so surprised over the young people's knowledge about dog training. We don't have the culture in northern countries of different tools training. We have the ball, the leash, the voice, you know. No. 2000 in Belgium, Swedish team was world champion in team.
And people don't understand how is it possible to come... After two years experience, you were already world champion in team. I think that one of the answers is that many of the people during that days were used to train the dogs with, I mean, do something positive where I reward it. When I came to USA the first time, Ivan, I get a shock.
Because there was people who don't know how to learn a dog to sit without electric collars. They have colors on the back, on the throat, everywhere. And they don't know how to teach the dog with a treat. This is not shit talk.
It's true.
So we can turn it both ways. And I know the good trainers in your country, when they're using different tools, are experts, should never overuse it or do stupid things. You know what I mean? You do what you need to do. And that is full respect. But the other idiots who misused those tools. I mean, I have just passed a very hard time of my life when people blame me for using Stackel on the door.
Yeah, I've heard about this, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. On my own videos, on my own Instagram, they take photos and blame me for using it. It was not a Stackel. Everyone knows that already. because I should not be so stupid so I put it out on my own internet social media for god's sake but they do a big drama out of this and they were writing big was like here is the military officer giving the dog a lot of pain.
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