Piers Morgan
Appearances
Candace
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They ended up finding in my favor and said that had I not been able to say what I said that day on Good Morning Britain about Meghan Markle, it would have been a chilling infringement of my free speech rights. But why is a media company having to be told that by the television regulator? Completely bizarre.
Candace
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So I do think that you have the First Amendment, which is an amazingly strong, powerful tool. And I think that we lack something like that here. And I think it's really, Elon Musk has done a lot of stuff on this on X. I don't agree with all of him about what he's saying, but I certainly think he's hit onto something, which is the natural instinct these days is to censor people.
Candace
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Well, like I said, I've been a journalist all my life. So I see myself as a news junkie. So when I was seven or eight years old, we used to get the Daily Mail newspaper, just a print paper then, obviously. And my mum remembers me going through it. Imagine, I'm seven years old, going through reading out headlines from the Daily Mail and asking about the stories. That's not normal.
Candace
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So I had it in my blood. There were a few journalists on my mother's side in the family, and I had this news junkie side to me. I had to know what was happening. You might call it I'm an inveterate gossip, and that's partly to do with wanting to be the first with information and then to tell people. What could be more exciting than being the first to know stuff and then imparting it to the world?
Candace
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So it was in my blood. And even today, I get five newspapers every day on my doormat. I used to run two big newspapers in the UK, two big national papers for 10 years. And I love the sound of a thud of newspapers, which I know sounds very anachronistic for someone who's now a YouTuber. And I'm aware that newspapers are basically going out of business. And my kids, my sons are 31, 27, 24.
Candace
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They don't read print newspapers, obviously. They just read everything on their phones or whatever it may be. So I'm part of a dying generation of people who still like newspapers. But I love the thud of five newspapers. I get the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Financial Times. And they hit like a thud and it still gets my juices flowing.
Candace
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And it's often early, like at five in the morning. I get up early. I think sleeping is cheating. I get up early and I read the paper and I pour over them with my old editor's eye just for seeing what's going on. Then I'm onto my phone. I'm checking all the American sites, New York Post, New York Times, Daily News, whatever it may be.
Candace
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LA Times, I'm checking X, obviously see what's going on there, checking what you're up to, what mayhem you're causing, and a few of the big people in my space, and just seeing who's doing what and what clips are flying around, what's trending.
Candace
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And so by like seven in the morning, I've had a really good snapshot, not just of what's happening here, which I only do out of habit really, because all my material is now aimed to an American audience primarily. But I like that I live here most of the time. I've got a place in LA and I go to America for three, four months of the year, but I still consider this my home.
Candace
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But I love to know the news. So by 7am, I know everything has happened. And I know where I should be thinking about what I should be doing on my show. And by then, maybe like at 10 o'clock, my showrunner Alex will call me and he'll talk me through what the plan is for the show. Some of the bookings I'll have been involved with, others will be new to me.
Candace
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We'll have a mixture of one-on-ones and debates. Today's a classic example. We've got you one-on-one. We've got Eric Weinstein one-on-one. We have a big debate about Israel, Gaza, and where we are with all that and bringing in Iran and Ukraine. And then we're going to have a big debate about America and probably actually factoring in on Trump and this $15 million payout he got from ABC and
Candace
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which is an extraordinary moment for legacy media when they're having to hand Donald Trump a $50 million check for calling him a rapist, which is what they've all been doing with impunity for years. I think these are kind of fascinating water cooler subjects. So that's the day pretty well planned out. But as you know, anything can happen.
Candace
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I've been there quietly congratulating myself on a show well done, come back home, maybe open a bottle of fine French Bordeaux, have a little glug, and then I hear Trump just got shot. And then you know and I know, okay, well, that's the next three weeks gone then. Right. And everything changes. So I love that again.
Candace
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To return this little passive-aggressive hand movement, I'm a journalist. And what I've realised, especially in the last two or three years as the YouTube side of what I've done has got bigger and bigger, I've reverted back much more to being a journalist. I don't think journalists should be ideological about the news. I like to have people on who are ideologues, right and left.
Candace
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I love the dynamism of the news where things can change in a heartbeat, literally. And through the day, I'll then keep reading stuff, talking to people, might speak to a few people who've got a particular expert view about any of these issues, get a sense of what they think. You're always trying to cut through all the partisan noise and the people on the extremities of debate. The thing about X is,
Candace
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I think under Elon, I might be a bit better now, but it used to be that 10% of the people on X made 80% of the noise. And you think about that, and they're normally skewing to the extremities. There's a lot of extreme noise going on, and you need to cut through that and get to an underbelly of more interesting and rational debate where people don't know what they're talking about.
Candace
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You might not agree with them, but I always want to get a sense. When you and I debate, I often think, well, I don't agree with you, but actually it's a really interesting debate. Right? You've put the yards in to formulate your opinion. You're not just thinking of the first thing you've seen on TikTok. And I think they're the type of guests I like.
Candace
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I like it more if I don't agree with them because it's more interesting. You're on a little journey of exploration. And I also don't like to be now, this is not how I used to be, used to be very intransigent. I mean, come to some of my more intransigent moments. which I don't look back on in glory, but I certainly feel like I want to learn from people.
Candace
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I often end a debate now by saying to people, do you know what? I've learned so much from that debate, and that was really interesting. And especially when you have two sets of people who know the facts but are interpreting those facts differently, but they're not challenging the reality of what happened. They're just saying, in my opinion...
Candace
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this means X, Y, Z, and the other person goes, no, no, no, it means boom, boom, boom. Try to work out actually what does it mean? People often say to me, if you go back to the start of the Israel and Palestine conflict in, say, 1948, you can go back a lot further, but say you go back to 1948, you could construct a very good argument for both sides. over the next 75 years. You could.
Candace
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If you were just sitting back and just taking a set of facts and trying to present the argument for the defence of Israel or the Palestinians, you could do a powerful piece for both. And there was a Jewish journalist called Jonathan Friedland who actually said that, which I thought was interesting. And I sort of agree with that about almost all issues.
Candace
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And the challenge is to really get into the weeds of these debates, analyse the facts, hear the different opinions, and then hopefully... depending on the power of the argument, the viewers at home, A, they learn a lot, which is really a perfect show for me where they're learning things, but B, they can formulate their own opinions.
Candace
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Maybe they go one, maybe they go the other, maybe they sit somewhere in the middle. That to me is a really good debate.
Candace
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I like to be the ringmaster to their debates, as you said, the Jerry figure, if you like. But I've become far less, probably in my head, far less inclined to position myself to left or right. If you'd asked me three, four years ago, I would have said, look, my natural politics are probably...
Candace
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I'll tell you what I think. I think that October the 7th is one of the worst things I've ever seen. I think the retribution, as I call it, by Israel has now gone way beyond what is acceptable.
Candace
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I take issue with people that want to frame it as genocide purely from a technical point of view, that actually the definition of genocide would mean that if Israel had killed a million people, I could accept the argument this is a bona fide genocide.
Candace
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It's more complex for me as a journalist when I look at this and compare it to other genocides and I compare it to other wars that if you take the central argument of Israel, which is put aside everything that happened before, if you take October the 7th and the scale of it with 250 people being kidnapped,
Candace
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including babies and Holocaust survivors, with 3,000 people coming over the border, attacking indiscriminately people, killing 1,200 and wounding nearly 7,000 more. If you take the scale of what happened... Hamas knew what Israel was going to do by way of response. Hamas indisputably have buried themselves into civilian areas quite deliberately for self-protective reasons.
Candace
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And Israel has been, I don't think they've been anything but indiscriminate, actually, in a lot of their attacks on these areas, particularly on the refugee camps. I think it's completely unconscionable some of the stuff they've done there. And I think that it's gone on way too long and it has to stop. And I think I always ask people throughout the debates, what is a proportionate response?
Candace
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I didn't have the answer. I didn't know what is the correct proportionate response to the scale of October the 7th. And that's before you factor in the background and the history and what people see as the occupation of the Palestinians and the appalling plight of 2 million Palestinians in Gaza for so long. It doesn't factor in that. It's just...
Candace
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Hamas do this, what is the proportionate response that's acceptable? I think Israel's gone way beyond what is acceptable. However, I understand their argument that they are responding to, as they see it, a heinous terror attack and they have vowed to get rid of the Hamas terrorists who did this and that the only way to do that is to do it the way they're doing it.
Candace
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And I understand that that is their argument. And I understand that that to me is different to a country waging a wholesale genocide of a people. So I think it's complicated. I don't have all the answers. But as we sit here now, this has to stop. The leveling of Gaza has gone completely out of control. I mean, a lot of Gaza is unoccupiable now. I think the aggressive expansion on the West Bank's
Candace
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has been a form of terrorism, which is completely unacceptable. I think some of the language of some of the cabinet members has bordered on genocidal. And I think that there are clearly some members of that Netanyahu cabinet who actually would have no problem if all the Palestinians left Gaza right now.
Candace
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And so I, you know, I'm not saying that there's not a potential for a form of genocide to be here. You know, we might look back at this in two years. And you might say to me, well, we told you, this is this is genocide, what they've done, they've got rid of all the Palestinians, that could happen. And I pray that doesn't happen.
Candace
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little lesser center but the woke left has been so insane that rather like Bill Maher I now get identified by the left as conservative because actually I'm just not prepared to entertain any of the woke madness and in that process the pendulum of my personal politics has probably shifted much more central if not slightly center right but if you ask me what I am I'm
Candace
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And I pray that, as I've always felt, the only way through this ultimately is fresh leadership on all sides, as we saw in Northern Ireland after many decades of horrific war between the IRA and the Loyalists, that ultimately... they got to peace because leaders like Clinton and Blair and all these guys came together and they were just determined to get it.
Candace
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And they managed to get a peace now where people in Northern Ireland live in relative peace and safety and they live amongst each other, people that used to be at war with each other. It would be amazing to think that could happen. But I think we're a long way off that there now. So that's my honest human view of it.
Candace
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I think legacy media is in massive trouble. I mean, you know, this $15 million payout by ABC to Trump for lying about him is a real turning point, right? Because Trump's win was so big and so across the board and such a repudiation of the legacy media. He basically did it by going on YouTube and podcasters. He just just circumnavigated the traditional routes of running a presidential campaign.
Candace
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And it was incredibly effective. But also, it's the boy that cried wolf. You know, I just remember back to the first two years of Trump's first term when it was just Russia collusion. When you say things often enough and the public buy into it, I mean, it turns out to be there was no Russia collusion. Trump didn't work with Russians to fix the election. It was all just lies.
Candace
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And I think a lot of the media knew it was lies. When you perpetrate that scale of lie for so long, but with such obvious, zealous enthusiasm to bring him down. And I think that was what struck me was whatever you think of Trump, And I've gone back a long way with Donald Trump, and I can see the good, bad, and ugly in him, and he's got all three.
Candace
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Although I think he's become a changed man since the shooting and since the election, and we can maybe come to that. But it's very interesting to watch as someone who's known him a long time. But I think that... If you read Trump's book, The Art of the Deal, his whole thing is, if you punch me, I'm going to punch you 10 times back.
Candace
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So for the first two, three years of his presidency, everyone just punched him from legacy media, morning, noon and night, because he got 10 punches back. It was all great copy for newspapers. It was great juice for the cable news. It was all great sport. But how did it serve the American people? It didn't. And in the end, Trump says he won 2020. I don't think he did.
Candace
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I think that Biden won by default because of the pandemic and the fallout from that. And it was very close anyway, and it could have gone either way. But ultimately, I think Trump lost it.
Candace
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But the scale of his win this time shows that people had a lot of buyer's remorse about Biden, a lot of probably seller's remorse about Trump that actually, despite all his rhetorical issues, and he has put that politely, but despite that, he, as a blunt instrument, he gets stuff done. He can be very effective.
Candace
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I don't say a conservative or liberal or any of these things now. I say I'm a journalist, and my job is to actually hold everyone to account. And I think we do that in a way that's actually reasonably unique now in the world that we're in. I'm the one that holds all these big debates. They get very fiery, but we get everybody on, and I like that.
Candace
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And I've often had arguments with people about the way he conducts foreign policy with America, the way he goes and talks to Putin and Kim Jong-un and Xi. I like this. I think it disarms them. They're not quite sure what to make of Trump. I suspect they're far more fearful of Trump as a consequence of their personal relationships.
Candace
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and his known unpredictability than they are about the far more conventional, you're all bad guys, we're going to treat you like bad guys, and that's it. So I think that Trump has them oddly wrapped around his rather cunning finger. And I think it could be quite effective in the way he conducts his foreign policy. But I also think that when it comes to things like his natural instinct for...
Candace
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The wall, immigration, cost of living, all the basic stuff, the woke stuff, him saying, I'll just ban all trans athletes and women's sport. Great, great. And I think a lot of Americans went, yes, yes. It shouldn't even be ambiguous. And obviously, if we're getting 10 million illegal immigrants across the border in four years, that can't be good for America. How can that be?
Candace
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We need good immigration. Of course we do. We can't sustain this, and we've got the same problem in this country. You raise it. Nearly a million people came in last year in this country. Net migration.
Candace
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completely unsustainable for a little island of 67 million people and if you raise concerns about it you're a racist and that's why people like Nigel Farage are getting more and more popular because people have begun to think well they're not racist are they I mean I don't think he is I think he's someone who's banged this drum about the danger of uncontrolled migration for a long time and a lot of leaders around the world now are realizing that people like him and Trump were right to bang that drum
Candace
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And it doesn't make you racist to be concerned about it. So I think all these things are kind of flying around. And in the middle of it, I've been sitting there going, who am I now? Right? What does this make me? Right? Politically, where do I sit in all this? And it's an interesting question of self-analysis.
Candace
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I don't really know the clear answer, other than it's easier for me to go back to being a journalist and not to really try and work out where I sit, because the pendulum has been wildly moving around. People that used to be considered on the left, Bill Maher, are they now? Is Bill Maher left-wing? He might still want to be called that. I love Bill.
Candace
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But actually, I would say he's certainly centrist at best. Arguably, on a lot of the stuff now, you could almost argue on the pendulum, he might be slightly centre-right. That's how far the woke left have taken things. They've driven people like me and Bill who are conventional liberals to think, well, we have nothing in common with you people.
Candace
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She's inherently awful. I mean, she's put a picture out today of a faked AI picture of, I think, the Pope groping her or something. That's classic Madonna. It's just the worst kind of pathetic attention-seeking. guaranteed to enrage Catholics like me, you. It's like, why would you do that? It's so pathetic, so puerile, so attention-seeking, and that's been her whole raise on debt.
Candace
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She used to be a great pop star back in her 20s, but now she's just a total embarrassment. But I don't really think she's, like, I don't call her, by the definition of what you're after, is that a dangerous, bad person? No, it's an attention-seeking, increasing irrelevance. You know, bad people are bad actors in the world.
Candace
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are people who genuinely have a malevolent worldview that they have the ability to execute. You know, when you think back to what ISIS were doing, for example, for the first 20 years of this century, that's inherently evil what they were doing. And you can call out the leaders of ISIS and say you are inhuman, subhuman, evil people.
Candace
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who are trying to get this caliphate, which just has no tolerance of anything.
Candace
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Well, yeah, I would come to that. So you have the obvious bad actors on the world stage. In terms of people who are running countries, my biggest problem is not that they're bad, it's that they're incompetent, which can be as bad. But when I hear Elon Musk talk about this a lot, he's so brilliantly competent.
Candace
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He operates at such a high level of competence that he finds incompetent people incredibly irritating. And I know exactly what he means. I think if you look around leadership around the world, there's a lot of incompetent people. I don't necessarily think they're bad. I mean, Angela Merkel's a good example, right? I wouldn't say she was a bad person. She's not unintelligent.
Candace
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She just turned out to be incredibly incompetent and caused a lot of mayhem for her country, despite being lauded in real time. Jacinda Ardern, remember the Prime Minister of New Zealand... was lauded as a COVID heroine because of all her extreme lockdown views and so on and so on. But history has not been kind to her either. So I think a lot of people, it comes down to basic competence.
Candace
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One of the problems of Boris Johnson here in this country was he's just a general shambolic character. The level of competence seemed very low. Trump first time around seemed chaotic and therefore stroked potentially a problem for competence. This time he's surrounding himself with incredibly high performing competent people like Elon. That's what makes it really interesting to me.
Candace
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And that's why I think his next term could be genuinely transformative. And people might say Trump's a bad guy. I don't think he is a bad guy. I think he's somebody who had the wrong people around him first time around and was being beaten up so mercilessly by the media that his only response was to go after them with equal venom.
Candace
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So you- I also know like someone like you, for example, right? People ask about you and they say, well, she's this, this, this, and this. What I've learned is don't necessarily buy into those narratives. Go and actually do your own research. Work out what these people actually said. See the context in which they said it. See what their explanation was for why they said it.
Candace
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This time I see he's calmer, he's better organized, he's chosen his cabinet in record time, he's chosen people who are disruptive but they're smart, and they're just going to operate on a different way to establishment people would do. But he's got Elon Musk sitting there helping him all the way with all this stuff. It's a lethal combination.
Candace
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Trump's instincts and Elon's ability and instincts to operate at a very elite level.
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Let me help you. Let me help you answer that question. What you know is almost every business he starts, everyone condemns it to immediate failure. Everyone thinks it's destined to fail. It cannot be achieved. It's always done on a massive, grandiose scale with a massive, grandiose plan. And he's delivered. I mean, look at SpaceX.
Candace
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SpaceX is probably the most coveted company in the world right now by every other successful business person. If you ask them, they all think SpaceX is the company in the world. And he built that and people said it's never going to work. This is going to throw good money after bad. It's never going to work. Look at what SpaceX does around the world now.
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Look at the satellite systems, never mind anything else.
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are just on a different level to anything we've seen you know he's even i saw the other day planning to help with the countryside issue in the uk if you live in the countryside you don't get a phone signal he said i'll sort that for you right he just thinks i'll fix britain and his phone signal that's how he thinks i sat with him in france this summer for a couple of hours and he was talking about neuralink and what that does and spacex and what it does
Candace
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And Tesla, again, Tesla was rubbish to start with. Everyone said, this is never going to work. Now it's the most successful green energy car company in the world. And obviously, cars will go that way. He's just ahead of everybody. And he understands you can't do it all at once and all these other things. But again, an amazingly transformative, huge, big picture business that he's built.
Candace
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Then you look at X and what he's done there where the most amazing stat the other day has gone from 67% Democrat, 32% Republican on X to now it's pretty well 50-50. That's Elon Musk. He's redressed the balance. He's made it easier for conservatives not to be deplatformed and removed just because of their political allegiance.
Candace
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um again so he's he's he's democratized if you like this very undemocratic but massively popular powerful social media tool so i look at all the things he's been doing and i think actually what's the common thread here all of it is a force for good all of it ultimately is designed to save us from ourselves it is colonizing mars humanoid robots all these other things he's doing but look at the thing the space rocket when it landed in the cradle right
Candace
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Just the sheer mind-blowing scale of ambition that Musk has. And he believes we'll get to Mars in his lifetime and we'll start colonizing. And he thinks it's really important. So my point is, if you look at it, what is a superhero? A superhero is somebody who thinks on a massively big scale for the good of the people and often saves the people from themselves.
Candace
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Often leads you to a very different conclusion than the ones that people like to easily pigeonhole people into. And that, again, is something I've had to learn. I used to be very judgmental as a newspaper editor in particular. And I think I've tried to be less judgmental now. I'll have lots of opinions. But when it comes to individuals in particular, let me just find out myself.
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By that criteria, I'm not saying he's a perfect human being. He can be difficult and all the rest of it. Of course he can. And he wouldn't say he's pervert himself. But by a superhero criteria right now in the world, who is having a bigger transformative superhero world right now than Elon Musk? Who? Give me a name. Who's doing more good for the world?
Candace
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But so was Trump to a degree. No, Trump was always a businessman.
Candace
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Okay, but Trump did sign up for, say, the assault weapons ban. He agreed with that. Okay, but I'm saying, like, he wasn't... You know, you look at Joe Rogan, you look at all these people, there's a lot of people, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, a lot of people that you might have said were sort of leaning Democrats, really.
Candace
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And crucially, because he's not in government. Right. So he's slightly detached. What I do think is if I would put money on anyone to slash unnecessary bureaucracy and spending in the federal government, it would be Elon Musk. I wish he'd come here and do it here.
Candace
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One question. If we put Elon Musk in charge of the National Health Service here, what would happen? I can absolutely guarantee he'd turn it around. The guy is a genius. So I think he is a superhero. It doesn't come with no caveats, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone. Well, it's very interesting with Musk is what I think.
Candace
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You very rarely see that level of elite brainpower that mixes with a love of being a celebrity, which he clearly does and limelight. with the super chilling self-confidence to back himself. That's what I love about him. He will bet the ranch on his own gut instincts. To a degree, Trump's a bit like that.
Candace
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And they'll just barrel through all the naysayers who go, you can't do that because it's never worked before. They're like, yeah, sure we can. And they do it. I like people like that. They're not always going to be right. But it's a bit like the old Wayne Gretzky, the ice hockey player's great quote. You'll miss 100% of the shots you never take. These guys take shot after shot after shot.
Candace
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And I think that is a healthy thing to do in a world where there's a lot of ad-hobbing and a lot of twisting going on, a lot of little cuts that appear. I see it myself about me. And I often say to people, I know you think I'm really controversial, but what is the view of mine that you find most controversial?
Candace
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In Trump's case, literally took a shot for democracy, as he put it. And I think Musk is just an utterly fascinating character. And when I had a bit of time with him, just with a little group of three of us for an hour, he was just a really interesting guy.
Candace
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But you could see he was looking at you, and sometimes you think he's gone a bit vacant, and you're talking about whatever it is, and he's thinking about colonizing Mars. Literally, his brain has moved to colonizing Mars, and he's probably just thought of something. He said an interesting thing. He said, like, you have to remember everything he said.
Candace
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If you replicate Earth, if you forget one vitamin, everyone dies out there. So you can't forget anything. It's really interesting. But ultimately, he says you've got to have somewhere else to go. Otherwise, one day this won't exist. Then what do you do? It's over. So he's trying to save us from ourselves.
Candace
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I'm a Catholic. I was actually given spiritual guidance by Catholic nuns when I was 11 and 12.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
I go to Mass, but not a lot. I go to weekly Mass, but I do go to Mass. And my mother is still a very staunch Catholic, raised us all as Catholics. I believe in God. I believe in Catholicism, what it stands for. Yeah, I mean, we all do in my family. We're a big Catholic family. And, yeah, I take a lot of comfort from it, actually.
Candace
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And I have a lot of debates with people like Richard Dawkins and these guys. And I'm like, you know, ultimately it comes down to this for me. The atheist can never explain to me what happened before nothing. And because the human brain cannot answer that question, because how can you, there has to be an acceptance. There is a higher being. There has to be.
Candace
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Otherwise, you'd be able to answer that question. And they look at me completely enraged. But I'm like, no, you can't answer it, because you'd have to be a superior being to a human being to be able to comprehend that kind of question. So because we can't comprehend it, there has to be something bigger out there.
Candace
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And when they try and answer, they really struggle because all they've seen is me on TikTok and someone shouting. They haven't actually listened to what my views are.
Candace
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And I just think they love logic. And I'm like, well, okay, but religion actually carries with it a lot of other things other than just pure logic. But just on the logic alone, that's why I'm right and you're wrong, I think. He drives them nuts.
Candace
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And then I think it comes down to other things, which is what do you want out of religion and out of God? I find it comforting to pray. I don't do it all the time. I don't pray every night. But there are times, difficult times in your life when you just want to say a prayer. And I've had prayers answered. And I've seen it happen. It might be a complete coincidence. Of course it might be.
Candace
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But the power of having a faith that somebody out there has that ability to help you is pretty strong. And I think that people that have that really feel it. And if other people don't feel it and don't like it and don't want it, okay. But why do you obsess, as they all seem to do, about what we believe? Have your own non-belief and believe in that. You're fine. But shut up about it.
Candace
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Why does it bother you? Nothing to do with you, whether I believe in God or not. If you don't, fine. If you think at the end of your life, that's it, you're worm food and nothing happens, fine. I will die a lot happier than you because I think there's a lot of good stuff waiting for me up there. And that makes me feel good.
Candace
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You must, as you get nearer and nearer death, feel absolutely bloody terrible because you're thinking, that's it, forever. And you can't even say what forever is because you haven't got any faith. Yeah.
Candace
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I bet there's a little conversion of the last man.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
I mean, it's interesting what you said about my own evolution. A lot of that's driven by my kids. So when you have kids, you see how they operate. You see how they read, what they consume, what they watch. I'd switch to YouTube because I could see none of them watch TV and none of them buy newspapers. So I thought, whoa, hang on.
Candace
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And they're all like in their 30s, in their 20s, and none of them are doing the stuff that I did. What are they doing? Oh, they're watching this thing called YouTube. Okay, how about becoming a YouTuber? Literally as simple as that. They were like, Dad, none of our friends watch this TV stuff, right? It's all through YouTube. You realise that? Get onto YouTube, Dad. And now they all watch it.
Candace
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Oh, I think kids not only keep you fresh and alive and having a purpose, but they also make you less narcissistic, a streak I've certainly had over the years. because ultimately it's about them, not you. And when you become a parent, you understand that and you become much more concerned about their welfare and what's happening to them than you do for yourself.
Candace
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It's a good thing for people to become parents for that reason, if nothing else. It's the ego's solution, I can tell you. But secondly, in terms of what I care about for them, I think it's a lot of things. I think that I always try and remind them Because all of their friends have anxiety issues and things. It's interesting. It's a generational thing. They're getting bombarded.
Candace
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I mean, that Jonathan Haidt book from 2010, how smartphones, the moment they became smart, started bombarding kids with all this negative dopamine stuff all the time. I think it's a real problem. And I think that young brains get scrambled by the constant negativity. I think about when I was young, there were wars going on, but you never saw any of the graphic stuff. You had no way of seeing it.
Candace
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It wouldn't be shown on the relatively sanitized news broadcasts. There was no internet. There were no phones, nothing else. The newspapers wouldn't run the really gory stuff. Now, if you go on X in the middle and tap in Ukraine or Gaza or whatever, the most horrific stuff comes up all day long. If you're a young 17, 18-year-old exposed to that, it must have a very corrosive effect on you.
Candace
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It was so preposterous. And in fact, worse than what happened to me. was what happened to Sharon Osbourne, if you remember, at The Talk, where Cheryl Underwood, and the show's now been canned, I'm pleased to say, because it really died that day when they did this, because it's a show called The Talk. You're supposed to be allowed to talk. Sharon just supported me.
Candace
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And it must make you start to catastrophize because you think this is what everything in the world is like now. The reality is the opposite. Interestingly, in recorded history, this is by far the best time to ever be alive. There are fewer wars at the moment raging than in recorded history in the time period. There's less child poverty. Water is cleaner and killing less people.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
There are less insects killing millions of people. A lot of the insects that kill people have been eradicated. The death counts on those. Little things which could have huge effects in continents like Africa. People are living longer, they're living healthier, they are better educated, and so on. And you go through every metric of life.
Candace
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And actually, I could present a compelling argument to these kids. Why are you so anxious? Compared to every generation that's gone before you, you've never had it so good. And yet saying that is self-defeating because they do feel bad and they do feel anxious. And a lot of it is around phones. I've got no doubt.
Candace
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And we have to, as a responsible generation now of people, we have to understand that, empathize with them, and help them get out of it. And also I think we have to attack head-on the other aspects of the woke mind virus, which is so destructive, the participation prize culture.
Candace
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where little johnny comes last in a race at school and gets given a prize how does that prepare little johnny for the real world because if you come last at work let me tell you you get fired if you do it often enough you don't get a prize your prize is you get given a cap home if you're lucky and that's it um celebrating failure over success being ashamed of being successful and beating your chest because somehow that's something to be frowned upon whereas if you lose somehow you're sort of vaingloriously heroic well when did that start
Candace
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People say, I just passed my driving test at the eighth attempt. I'm so proud of myself. Really? Why aren't you ashamed of yourself? I keep that bloody quiet if I were you. What are you boasting about? Eight times? How dumb are you? By the way, why are you driving? I don't want you out on the road, right?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And yet they're proud of themselves, and they share it, and I see all the comments, so proud of you, babes, fantastic babes. I'm not saying it's just necessarily a woman. It could be anybody. But it's just this constant celebration of failure or, Weakness. Mediocrity. Mediocrity.
Candace
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And also this thing about, you know, you mustn't push people to try and achieve their best because it's bad for their mental health. No, what's bad for their mental health is not being able to deal with the real world. So push people to be physically and mentally strong as they can to deal with the reality.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
My favorite speech in movies is Rocky Balboa to his son, the spoiled brat son in the sixth movie. when he finally has it out with him in the street and he says, life is not about how hard you can hit. Life's about how hard you can get hit, get back up and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. We've lost that as a society.
Candace
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She didn't even say she agreed with what I said about Meghan Markle, although now, ironically, I'd have been fired for saying the complete opposite. If I said I believed Meghan Markle after the Oprah interview, people would now fire me for believing Pinocchio, right?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
Now it's like you throw yourself on the ground, almost punch yourself in the face, lie there wallowing in your own misery and everyone fawns all over you and celebrates your weakness. How does that help any part of that equation? It doesn't. So we've become a society. It's changing. I think the Trump win again is a big moment in the sand for this.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
To say no, actually, and particularly for young men, you can be proud of being a young man. You don't have to hate yourself just because every corporate woke marketing campaign told you that you're all hateful losers until you can prove you're not all a bunch of Harvey Weinsteins running around. Now men are being told it's okay to be a guy. And you can be proud.
Candace
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And by the way, and if you are, here are the things that you should do to be a good man in life. But you can beat your chest a bit. You can celebrate achievement. You can want to win. You can celebrate winning. And you can hate losing, actually. It's fine to hate losing. There's nothing good about losing. Who wants to lose? Let alone celebrate it. So I do think there's all these things where...
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
I feel there's a correction going. I feel like the woke worm has turned quite rapidly since Trump's win. In a way, it became the catalyst because everything Kamala Harris stood for was all this crap. Everything Biden stood for was all this crap. And that ad he did, Kamala's for they, them, Trump's for you. Devastating. Devastating. Because in one simple ad, it told the story.
Candace
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What does they, them mean? There's only one person sitting there. How can one person be they, them?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
sam smith can't remember if he's sam him her or they them must be incredibly confusing when he gets up in the morning but why do we have to pander to this bull right so no i'm i thought i was liberal right but all this stuff just sounds completely insane to me i think we're all just rational because i find myself too i'm like i don't know if i'm conservative because then i see
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
So at the time, it seemed so contentious and outrageous to disbelieve her or to think a lot of what she was saying couldn't possibly be true. Now it doesn't seem that way. But Sharon, all she did was say, I support Piers. We've been friends for a long time. We worked again on America's Got Talent with Jerry.
Candace
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Yes Like me have a divisive reputation, but I think you watch Candace, right? I mean I would say to people when I tweet this just watch this Do you get the feeling you're in front of a screaming lunatic? Right. Or not. And of course, you're not. Right. So I'm not saying you're perfect and you wouldn't say I am. But I don't see the characterization of you that I read about. You have your moments.
Candace
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And we were laughing. And he said, true, true, true. But everybody obviously has that. But we live in a weird place now where your bad moments get massively amplified. And all the other stuff, which would counter that in a normal conversation, where you're down the pub with someone and you say something stupid, and you say a lot of good stuff, and then, oh, actually, it's a good bloke, right?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
You don't see any of that. All you see is the tribe seize on the moment. and slam it out and say, this is that person, look how awful they are. And it gets amplified around the world before anyone can stop it. And before you know it, you're the most reviled human being on earth. You're like, how did that happen?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
Oh, it's great to be here. I used to love Jerry Springer. I actually did America's Got Talent with Jerry Springer. I was a judge. He was the host. We both lived at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Los Angeles. And we used to lie by the pool on our sandbags and plot global domination together. So I take that as a great compliment.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
I feel excited about the potential for Uncensored, actually. I think I hit on a very good title for my show. I want to expand it. I've looked at other places in the digital space where they're getting bigger and bigger. Obviously, you're one of them. You've got to find your own thing. What is your own thing?
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
My thing is I'm not an ideologue coming at it left or right and just pumping my view about stuff and people coming on and talking to me about that. My view is I am the ringmaster now to, I think, really important debates about all the most important stuff in the world. I also love doing the one-on-ones with everyone from whether it's
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
Kanye to Trump to Zelensky I don't mind who it is I like sitting down with people doing the longer form one-on-ones too and that combination all playing to what I think at my core is what I am and what I'm now very proud to celebrate more which is being a journalist being a journalist who challenges everybody not worrying about being boxed into left or right or any kind of position but actually just holding everybody to account and trying to get that most precious of things to come out which is the truth
Candace
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Not my truth or their truth or Meghan Markle's version of a truth, but the truth. And once you have the truth, everyone can have an opinion. When you muck around with the truth and you lie about facts which are incontrovertible, that act doesn't fly. So I see myself now as the great truth finder in the world on the YouTube and the internet, which is no bad thing.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And she was just showing a bit of loyalty to me without actually getting into what I'd said. And then Sharon was, what, even supporting with these racist things he said, isn't she? Hang on, what racist thing did he say? And it all blew up. She got blindsided.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And she got fired from a talk, a job she loved, for having the audacity to support me even though everyone knew I hadn't said a racist thing. Not one word. Sheryl Underwood couldn't actually say what it was I was supposed to have said that was racist. It was utterly shameful of CBS to do what they did to Sharon that day.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And the fallout from that whole Oprah interview, if you watch the whole sequence of events... Really a shocking attack on freedom of speech is really what it came down to. You could say something right now. I'm entitled to say I don't believe you. And you're entitled to say, well, I'm right because boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Candace
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But the idea that your first reaction is, if you don't believe me, you're racist because I'm not white. Sorry, what? That's the criteria? I'm not allowed to disbelieve you because of your skin color? That's how preposterous it was.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And it works the other way too. I see it on both sides. But this is where we've got to. And it's the same with the trans debate about trans athletes in women's sport. We may get to that. But I felt very strongly about that, that any attempt to challenge the accepted view that this is fair and rational to allow biological men
Candace
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to put their hands up, say they're women and compete in women's sport and hammer women into the ground, literally with their fists in boxing rings in the Olympics. The idea that if you do that, you are transphobic, that you have a hatred of trans people, I just find completely outrageous.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And it's being used more and more by the woke left as a form of, as Elon calls it, a form of communism, really. This is communism. At bay, I call it fascism. It's the same kind of thing in the sense of it's a group of militant people who are trying to shut down any dissent, trying to make everyone see the world through their narrow prism, be it communism or fascism. It's the same mindset.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And we will destroy people who do not conform to what we have laid down is the new rule book for life. And... People who believe in freedom of speech and freedom and democracy, you have to fight this with every inch of your life. Because if we don't, we will go down that path of communism, of fascism, of that control world that they want. And that way madness lies.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
Well, not only that, was he born here during the Second World War, by the way, during the Blitz in one of the subway tunnels. But Jerry was a fascinating guy. He was the mayor of Cincinnati. He was a TV serious news anchor for many years. And then he got asked by the network, can you just do this pilot for this crazy new show? He didn't really want to do it.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
Well, I was told very categorically by ITV here, who are the NBC of the UK, they said, look, if you apologise for disbelieving her, you can keep your job. And I said, well, I'm not going to do that, which I think they probably knew. And I literally left that afternoon. I mean, it was a fait accompli. You apologise, you keep the job. In other words, you grovel...
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
You grovel to Meghan Markle, who, unbeknown to me, had written a personal letter to the chief executive of the company, who was a woman, and had said to her, I write to you as a woman and as a mother. You have to fire him. And I wasn't told that in the deliberations that went on that day. Had I known that, I would have gone public with the whole thing and had a very different argument with them.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
I would have just dug my heels in and went, you're going to really allow this duchess to decide who works at ITV. I only found this out after the event two days later. That would have changed how things played out quite significantly. But what was interesting was in the moment, it was also February, it was kind of chaotic and mayhem and it was leading the news and everything else.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And I just remember it turned on a dime in about 24 hours. I began walking around. I felt like the Pied Piper. There were literally people, bus drivers tooting horns, cab drivers cheering me, public coming across roads to hug me, to shake my hand, because they understood that actually what it was about was a battle for free speech.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And they understood that if you want to be actually British – or American, obviously – but if you want to be British – Actually, you've got to fight for free speech. This is what Churchill fought the Nazis about, freedom and democracy and free speech. People lost their lives on battlefields so that we have the right to actually exercise our right to free speech.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
He did it, and it became so unbelievably successful and made so many hundreds of millions of dollars, he could never leave it alone. But he used to say to me, it is the worst show on TV, but it's making me unbelievably rich. And it was a fascinating story. He was a really interesting character.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And this played really strongly with the public. I had a book out. It had just come out. I remember it was like number 2,000 on the Amazon chart, just the first few days. It went to number one in three days. And it stayed there for weeks and sold a huge amount of copies because the book was called Wake Up.
Candace
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And it was a clarion call to the liberal left to wake up and stop this woke madness before it was too late. And I'm almost going to do another book going, told you, right? Because you look at the scale of Trump's win in the US election, and one of the reasons was cost of living. Obviously, one was illegal immigration. But a third big plank of this was the basic destruction of the woke mind virus.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
They brought in a vaccine called Trump and Elon Musk vaccine. I know you won't like the analogy to a vaccine, but they vaccinated the woke mind virus in spectacular fashion. And a lot of young men in particular went, I'm just done with this. I'm sorry. I'm just done with this crap. It's not based on fact. I'm not going to be bullied anymore into going along with this nonsense.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And I'm going to exercise my right to freedom and freedom of speech and freedom of thought and expression. And I think that was a really important part of that election, actually. I'm very glad to have seen it.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
We have a very strong establishment in this country, which is a bit of an anathema to Americans who don't really understand it. It comes down from the royal family, from a sense of class that we have in this country, of privilege, of wealth, going back to the wealthy landowners who ruled the roost and the peasants were all doing all the hard graft.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And it's not like that anymore, but certainly there's still this sense of the establishment. And if you dare to take on the establishment, then you can end up in very hot water very quickly. And people here are probably naturally slightly more polite than Americans about these things, slightly more reverential. We still doff our cap to the monarchy, which you will find completely absurd.
Candace
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But I always think if it hadn't been for Mad King George III, you would still have a monarchy and you might even have King Piers. And wouldn't things be better for America if you did? But I think it's a fair criticism. Americans do tend to have that...
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
That's why I think one of the great moments of the election for Trump was the fight, fight, fight when he got shot, was that instinctive combative streak of fight. We are a nation of fighters here too, but we've been battered into submission, particularly on issues like free speech. I feel very uncomfortable.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
When I see people, you know, grandmothers being rounded up and put in prison for something they put on Facebook, even if what they're putting is offensive and horrible and vile, actually, as Churchill himself said, the thing about free speech is it's not listening to stuff that you agree with. It's about the ability to hear things you really don't agree with.
Candace
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vehemently, but accepting that someone's right to free speech. Now, I get there are lines about incitement to hatred and violence. Of course there are. But really, old people gobbing off on Facebook, they're going to prison. When you think about types of people who don't go to prison these days, I think a lot of people in Britain feel uncomfortable about this creeping censorship.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And there was an honesty to it, you know, where people, everyone knew what was going on. They all went on for a reason to have their moment. They wanted to have their moment and their story. And who are we to be snobbish enough to say, well, you're not allowed to. We only listen to Beyonce these days. It's like, you know, it was kind of egalitarian. I liked it.
Candace
Piers Morgan x Candace Owens | Candace Ep 123
And as someone who lost his job, big job here, over a really crude example of censorship. That's an example where, ironically, the UK regulator for television, which, again, Americans wouldn't understand what that concept is, but we have a television regulator called Ofcom who regulate how people can behave on the airways.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I think that he was then sent to the wilderness. I wrote a column or two in early 2022 where I was like, this guy's finished. He's a busted flush. It's all about Ron DeSantis. Now, back off, Don. I look at that now and think, wow, how has he got back? And he got back even stronger than last time. And actually, it's because the Democrats did a number of acts of self-harm.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
They went after him through the law, weaponizing the justice system. choosing ridiculously pathetic things like whether he shuffled paperwork over a one-night stand with Stormy Daniels 20 years ago. Who cares? Americans don't care about that. They care about the fact they can't feed their kids.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
They care about the fact nearly 10 million people have come over the border in the Biden administration four-year period. That's what they care about. It's that looking good over doing good thing again, right? Like optics versus... I think it's also a visceral hatred of Donald Trump. This Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing. I have friends of mine who are completely unhinged.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Our family members, if you mention Trump or if I post a picture of me and Trump, congratulations on winning again, utter mayhem. It's like that Russian sleeper agent activation code. Yeah, and I'm like, you've got to sit back and get the bigger picture with Trump and understand why he's so popular.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
What a shrieking, even more progressive, even more far-left candidate version of Kamala Harris. I mean, Trump, they must be rubbing their hands. Please, please give us AOC. Because almost everything she stands for bears no relation to what Americans actually care about. Anything. So she would be the worst possible candidate.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
This is about as close to a banana republic act as you could imagine.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
If the Democrats don't wake up, A, they've got to get rid of all this progressive left stuff. It's got to all go. They were at their most electable when they had someone like Bill Clinton. Go back to the Bill Clinton playbook. He didn't... bother with any of that crap. He just kept it pretty centered.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's not. We've been told it's different. We've been told we now have to believe the sky is blue when it's actually red. And eventually people have gone, well, hang on. It's red. Why have I got to call it blue? And people have gone, actually, I'm done with that, thanks. No, and I'm done with the constant offense that everyone's taking about absolutely everything.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I'm done with everyone losing their jobs over the tiniest, you know, transgression of the woke worldview rule book. I'm tired of all of it. I'm tired of identity politics. I'm tired of the rumination of meritocracy, of the altar of wokeism, when it doesn't matter how good you are. It matters what your skin color is or your gender.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
None of that does anyone any good, least of all people from ethnic minorities or least of all women. If you're trying to promote women's rights, I mean, it made me laugh in the election. Kamala Harris was, I'm for women's rights. I Abortion. Okay, I agree with you. On that, I agree with you. Because in Britain, it's a settled issue. We just don't really have debates about abortion here.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
We have one of the most lax abortion laws in the world, actually. And I'm all in favour. I'm all for pro-women having the choice. Nothing to do with me, Gov. You just decide, women, what you want to do with your bodies. All in favour of that. But how do you square being the candidate for women's rights when you're also supporting trans athletes in women's sport, as Kamala does?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You can't, because you're eroding women's rights. And then people like J.K. Rowling, who put their head over the parapet, they get abused, not least by the Harry Potter stars who owe her their fortunes.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Maybe that's penance, you know, for being, I haven't seen his views about her, but I mean, a lot of them have been very scathing about her. And when I sit with them, I had a debate the other day with a guy, called Ernest, who comes on quite a lot. He's one of our pundits. And he's a funny guy. We have good debates about stuff. He defends the indefensible most of the time, and I quite enjoy it.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But he was talking about how you've got to respect people's right to limit their self-identity. In other words, if you identify as whatever you like, I have to respect it. Okay, fine. So if I identify now as a black man called Ernest, do you respect him? And of course, after about 10 torturous minutes, he had to admit he wouldn't respect that.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
So the premise of his argument was all complete bullshit. And I've done this before on International Women's Day a couple of years ago. I identified as a black lesbian. And people, when they first hear it, go, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't use those words on the airwaves.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, you can when you're having a debate on International Women's Day about whether gender identity should be completely limitless and sexuality is a movable feast and actual racial identities. We've seen some people who are black pretending to be white or white pretend to be black. This has to stop. You have to actually get back to a fact-based society.
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You're seeing a return to the center. And actually, most governments in American and British political history have pretty well been hovering around the centre. You don't really see extremities on either side. You don't see the far right or far left getting power, really. And it's the more centrist parties with centrist leaders who tend to have the most longevity and most success. Yeah.
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And I think that's why I always say about Trump, people think he's extreme. He's not really. If you take away his rhetoric, then his first term of office, he was a pretty moderate Republican president. He didn't even go to war anyway, almost unprecedented for a Republican president. So, you know, Trump's rhetoric is really 90% of the reason people hate him.
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But I think a lot of people this election went, you know what, I'm kind of done with that stuff.
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But virtue signaling is a very insidious new scourge in society. Yeah. I mean, I told a story in my last book about after the George Floyd murder, which I did a lot of stuff on, wrote very strongly worded columns about it, did a lot of stuff on air on Good Morning Britain, which I was hosting at the time about it. But there was a day when we were supposed to all do a black square on our Instagram.
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And I couldn't understand why. What's the point? And I went to my local squares in the middle of a pandemic. And I just had a bottle of wine. It's a nice sunny afternoon. And I'd forgot all about what I was supposed to be doing. And I posted a picture of my bottle of wine in the twinkling sunlight on my Instagram. And my son's all within about half an hour. Dad, you've got to take that down.
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I said, why? Dad, we're getting abused by all our friends. You've got to take that down. I said, I don't understand. Why are you being abused? Because you're going to do the Black Square, don't you? I said, no, I don't. Why? To prove what? I've written column after column about the horrific murder of George Floyd. I've said hours and hours and hours of interviews with people about this on air.
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Do you think the meeting of Black Square is going to make any difference to the promotion of racial equality or correcting racial injustice?
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it wouldn't have anything like the same pickup. In fact, it probably wouldn't even be suggested. People have realized these are vacuous, meaningless things. And at the moment that needle on the clock got to midnight, in came the Instagram influencers with all their topless bikini slaps. It's like, whatever. They couldn't wait. They were itching, itching. Get me off this black square.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's killing my business, right? Yeah. And so to me, it was just vacuous, virtue signaling, the worst kind. It doesn't help anybody. But this kind of, on the back of it, the kind of bullying that goes on, to bully people into going along with the herd, it's got to stop. It's like the take him and leave thing. I was completely in support of that.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But I didn't think people should be compelled to do it. You know, it's a very interesting case in British football. There's a Northern Irish footballer called McLean who comes from a little part of Northern Ireland in Derry where Bloody Sunday happened, where literally people in his street were killed by British paratroopers in one of the worst incidents of the Troubles.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And the British troops that day behaved appallingly. And he doesn't want to wear a poppy, which we wear to celebrate Remembrance Day, because it doesn't just remember people in the world wars. It remembers all armed conflict involving British troops ever. And that includes Bloody Sunday in his eyes. And he said, I can't look at people in the eye in Derry.
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And all the time, every year, he gets the same abuse. And every year, he refuses to wear it. And every year, I'd normally post at some stage, why would we expect him to? Why should he be compelled to wear something which actually supports a group of people who in that particular moment in Northern Ireland killed his own people? And I don't think we should bully people like him into doing it.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, I think one of the most important things of the broligarchy in terms of its impact is... is that so many young men gravitated to it because they've been feeling lost. You've talked about this a lot. I've talked to you about this a lot. I've got three sons from 23 to 31. I've seen it firsthand. They've been struggling, not just my sons, but their friendship group.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Good argument, which makes sense. But most people don't want to hear it. They just think, he won't wear a popper. He's a disgusting disgrace.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, it came about because I launched this new show, Piers Morgan Uncensored, and we were launching it on Talk TV in the UK, which was a new network launched by Rupert Murdoch. And concurrently, we set up a YouTube channel. And it was really interesting. I was doing big interviews with Donald Trump and Cristiano Ronaldo and Kanye West and all these people. Yay, as he calls himself now. And
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We found that we were getting a pretty small audience on Talk TV, which was a linear platform, an hour-long show live with commercial breaks, very traditional. But on YouTube, without any restrictions, we could run the longer versions of interviews if we pre-taped them and so on. And we were getting 10, 20, 30, 40 times the audience.
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And it would be far more cost effective to not produce a linear television version. And when this went on for a year or two, I was eventually like, why are we doing this? Why are we losing money hand over fist to cater to probably quite an aging audience? If you look at the average age of cable news in America, audiences are 70 now for Fox, CNN, MSNBC. They're old people, right?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I mean, that means a lot of them are probably 80. young people do not watch television apart from live school. I know because I've got four kids from 31 to 13. None of them watch TV. So you can either pretend that what's happening in front of your eyes isn't happening, or you can see how your habits of your kids are and look at what's happening literally on the numbers.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And so we got to about a year ago, February of 2024. I came off linear TV completely, and we just went full YouTube. And we've now got three and a half million subscribers, which you will appreciate. It's not bad in two and a half years. It took Joe Rogan four years to get to a million, not that I'm comparing. Mm-hmm. I am comparing.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And we now get millions of views for our content on almost pretty much everything. And sometimes we get real poppers like Bassem Youssef, the Egyptian comedian, political activist. 22 million people watch that. The real-life stalker from Martha, alleged stalker from Baby Reindeer. Again, 16, 17 million people watch that on our YouTube channel. We've never got anything like that on any television.
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have been struggling to understand what it means to be a man in this weird age that we're now in. Social media-driven age, virtue-signaling-driven age, a weird time when losing is almost more celebrated than winning, where the old alpha male chess beating is now seen as something to be ashamed of, where weakness is almost... now seen as a greater characteristic than strength.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And we've exercised it a few times where people don't get invited back if they're too dumb. Because nobody wants to hear dumb people debating serious topics. We do a lot of serious debates, whether it's American election debates, whether it's Ukraine-Russia, whether it's Israel mass war, P. Diddy scandal, whatever it may be. You need smart people.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And that's my criteria for booking guests for the debates. But also, I want to balance it out. I want to have equal numbers on both sides, smart, debating it. And when you get it right, it's magic. Because there's very few places in the world doing that. I mean, we're pretty the only ones in the YouTube space who don't have an ideological position.
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If you look at people I really admire in the space, people like Ben Shapiro, Megyn Kelly, and others, they obviously come at it from an unashamedly conservative bias. I don't. Similarly, on the left, Mehdi Hassan and others come at it. Cenk Uygur, although he's beginning to move quite rapidly, I've noticed, to the dark side, as he would put it. But they're from the left.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I'm in the middle, genuinely in the middle. People could not position me into Republican or Democrat or here Conservative or Labour. I don't position myself in that way. I see myself foremost as a journalist. And what I like now is I can literally act as a journalist to everybody. Just when they say something, fact check it in real time, ask them the right questions.
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you know, challenge everybody equally. And I think people learn a lot from those kind of debates. I do. I literally, my favorite debate is at the end of 90 minutes. I go, do you know something? I've really learned a lot today. You might all have different slants on what you've been telling me, but I've learned a lot of basic information about this.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I love a good argument. I can tell. You're a more nuanced, calmer environment, which, again, I also really like as well. Occasionally, I will do that with people. But as a rule of thumb, I like a good old heated knockabout debate.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You've got to listen to what you're being told by the other side. You can't have a blindly implacable view of anything. I respect, for example, the Israel-Hamas war. The people I've had on are most respected, have been able to concede. If you're on the Palestinian side, for example, and I am to a large degree supportive of a lot of what they say about the way Palestinians have been treated.
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But if they come on and they say that they won't condemn Hamas, it's to ask everyone the same question. It became a bit of a running joke on social media. But there's a reason I ask it. If they condemn what Hamas did on October the 7th, I can move forward to a debate where I know that they're intellectually honest.
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If they can't, I know I'm dealing with somebody who's so blindly, implacably hateful towards Israel that they can't see the wood for the trees and they won't see mass murder perpetrated. in front of their eyes, they won't see a terror attack in front of their eyes and call it out for what it is.
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Similarly, on the pro-Israel side, if they don't have any empathy or sympathy for the plight of the Palestinian people going back decades, it's very hard to have a conversation with them where you think they're being intellectually honest. They're not, because you can have both opinions, as I do. So I think that intellectual honesty is a powerful tool.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You know, when I've had Israel guests recently who've omitted quite readily, that the expansion of the settlements on the West Bank is just plain wrong and probably constitutes a war crime, I think, great. That's intellectual honesty there, because obviously it is.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But if they don't, if they try and even defend that, you know you're dealing with people who are just so hyper-partisan, they're not prepared to even look at an obvious wrongdoing by their side and admit it's wrong, because they think it's weak. What about...
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And I have been on this for years, thinking this is a ruinous way for society to go. And suddenly, along in America, you have this group of very alpha male guys, all chess beaters from RFK Jr. to Elon to Trump to Vivek to Joe Rogan, all of them. And
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You can take people on and you can show some fire in the belly when it's something you care about. I've done that a lot through these war periods when I felt that – particularly when I feel people are being just crass and completely insensitive to things. Then I feel the blood boiling a bit. But I come back to the best debates are where I have people from both sides and they take on each other.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I just ringmaster it and try and have a viewer at home in mind who genuinely doesn't have a horse in the race but really wants to learn – more about what's happening. That is where I think we've become a really powerful show.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, I knew Jerry Springer very well. Jerry was a host on America's Got Talent for a year. Two years, I think. And we lived in the same hotel in LA, the Beverly Wilshire. And we used to hang out by the pool. And we'd just chat. Jerry was a fascinating guy. He'd been mayor of Cincinnati. He'd been a news anchor for 10 years of a serious news program.
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And then he got asked to do this pilot for a show. He thought it was terrible, but it was so popular that it became the biggest show on television. He thought it was terrible. Terrible. Right to the end, he thought it was terrible. He said, I make the worst show on TV. But he was also making hundreds of millions of dollars.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Right. So, Jerry knew it was awful, but he also never talked down about the people that came on. I thought that quite strongly about the Jeremy Kyle scandal here.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He's doing great. He's working over at Talk. He does a show there. I... I don't want to speak out of turn, but I know he's got some big plans because he told me, which are going to be in the news quite soon. Do you think he was due a redemption arc for the people that don't... Well, the inquest found he didn't do anything wrong, right? I mean, he never had done it. He had thousands of guests.
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He had one guest who came on who later took his life, which is incredibly sad. But as the inquest established, it wasn't Jeremy Kyle's fault. And... Again, there was a lot of snobbery about that show and the kind of people who went on it. These were working class people who wanted to go on that show and wanted to air their feelings, right?
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If you, taking your argument, if they all had IQs of 150 plus and were talking about feelings on Newsnight, we'd all applaud them for their courage, right? Yeah.
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very strong-minded guys, to a lesser degree in a different space, Andrew Tate and his brother, who wield extraordinary influence, but I think have a streak of blatant misogyny in Andrew's case, which I really don't like. But a lot of the reason for his appeal is that lost young men gravitated to him because he was pounding a drum of, take care of yourself, but Be proud of being successful.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You never saw many contestants. complaining about their experience or complaining about the show. Not contestants, what would you call them? The people who appeared. I don't know how they were. Contestants are a wrong word. Felt like they were occasionally, but you just guess, right? So I never saw them complaining much about the way they were treated or what happened.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
They were all quite happy to have their moment on television and to air their... Dirty linen. Now, you can be snobbish about it and say, well, how dare you do that? But I see smart people do that all the time. I mean, barely a week goes by without a major celebrity in the world emoting in some interview with Oprah or whoever it may be. What's the difference, actually?
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If you're emoting but you happen to be a Hollywood star or you happen to be a tycoon or politician.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
The principle is exactly the same. you're just airing your dirty linen. I mean, if Harry and Meghan do it with Oprah, I felt it was just a posh royal version of what you saw on Springer.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think that America has got its confidence back, and Trump has been responsible for that, as has Elon Musk. I think the little thing, the rocket's going off, right? They're just instilling people a sense of America's firing rockets again. They're taking us to the moon, maybe to Mars.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
There's something heroically ambitious about the way that people like Musk feel and Trump being down there at the last launch with just great imagery. He's making people feel confident again.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Yes, yeah. In the UK, there's no sense of that. There's a sense at the moment of we're just existing and that nothing's really working, that public services are decaying fast, that we're getting far too many people coming in.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Obviously, we need immigrants to work as a country, but you can't have a net migration of nearly a million people and expect already struggling public services to not struggle even more. You just can't. And they said they'd fix the boats. I think more people are coming in than ever. But actual legal migration is a big problem, bigger than the boats issue.
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And we've gone through years again, going back to what we discussed earlier, where you couldn't talk about this if you even raised an eyelid on question time about the number of people coming in. Racist. You were racist. In the same way that if you talk about trans athletes in sport, you're transphobic.
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Aspire to be better than you currently are, et cetera. And that resonates with people. I'd add Jordan Peterson to the brotherhood.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I'm done for, particularly if you've got someone circling like Nigel Farage, who is the UK version of Trump and is a good friend of Trump's. And Farage's views were considered extreme. They're now considered increasingly mainstream because he's been proven on immigration to be right. Not about everything. Some of the language he's used has been, in my view, wrongly inflammatory.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But his basic principle about if you don't have a border, as Ronald Reagan said, if you don't have a proper border, you don't have a country.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I don't think he can do that legally in our country. Someone was saying there's a legal impediment to him actually doing that as a foreign citizen. He's rich, he can get around it. Yeah, look, he obviously had a big effect on Trump winning. I don't think there's a question of that. No, I think Elon's allowed to do what he likes. He's a free citizen. But would it help the UK politics to have that
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
position well he would balance it out because at the moment labor certainly have a lot more money coming in than the tories in the last election so i look they all take money from people right some take money from very dodgy people indeed uh all of us pretend we hate it but it carries on on both sides if they all want to give up all outside donations fine if they can't really afford to do that if the conservatives are as dead in the water as people think in the uk is reform where
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
No. No, and the message is be proud to be a man again. You've been ashamed of being a man for many years now since the avalanche of Me Too, of Time's Up, which absolutely had an important role in society in correcting a historic imbalance in the gender, no question, and historically bad behavior by a lot of men towards women. I absolutely do not denigrate either of those movements.
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Formed in a very, very good position. I mean, Kemi Badenoch's got to do something pretty radical and pretty quickly with the Conservative Party. Or my prediction would be that Farage may well end up being the next Prime Minister, as Elon Musk has said. I don't think that's a mad idea at all. But he might be by then running a Conservative Party which has had reform flip into it.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
That's where my smart money would be, is that they'll do a deal – they'll merge the parties and probably Farage ends up contesting the next election. And if Keir Starmer has not delivered by them on all his promises or any of them, then he could be political toast.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
To get the White House press secretary to repeatedly say it from the lectern in the White House, I think that's pretty disgraceful. So there's two ways of looking at this. I think if Trump had done it, smart move in unifying the country. For Biden to do it, actually a pretty shameless act of rank hypocrisy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
We have a very mediocre tier of politicians now. I mean, you go back to the Thatcher years and their cabinets, just packed full of very smart people. Tony Blair's cabinet, for the first two terms in particular, incredibly smart people. People like Gordon Brown, as Charles said, just unbelievably brilliant brains. So I think that's certainly true.
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I think a lot of smart people, if they've made good money, don't want to get into politics because it's just going to ruin their lives.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
So why would you expect anyone of calibre to do that? So we don't pay people enough for important jobs in this country. I would personally pay the politicians an awful lot more. What they couldn't do is have any outside interest. So I might even pay them half a million pounds a year. But I say you cannot have any stock investments. You cannot have any outside business interest.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Yeah, well, he would, yeah. But in a way, the fact that Rishi was stinking rich, I was fine about that. I think you don't make decisions then based on what's going to benefit you, right?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I wonder if a lot of Tories have not got seller's remorse about Rishi, actually. I think the way he behaved after he lost, he was very impressive in the comments after that. I always liked him. I think he made a few strategic missteps, but actually pretty smart, committed, hardworking guy. And yeah, the fact he was rich didn't bother me at all. But no, I think it's going to be very interesting.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I mean, I do think we're deliberately attracting people mediocre people to politics now because we don't make it attractive enough to attract the smart people.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Because that wasn't why they were rioting. Of course, that's my point. They were rioting because they were whipped up by people who should know better and probably did know better into believing a certain set of circumstances had happened surrounding an appalling attack, right? They hadn't. It wasn't actually an illegal asylum seeker who committed these actions.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And so people were exactly, in a way, on a smaller, it was a smaller version of the Iraq war, which I oppose so pacifistically. I'll tell you why. It was fought on an entirely false pretext. Had Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, that war would have been justified.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But what it did do, as I knew it would do, the pendulum swung so far the other way that actually it freaked the hell out of young guys. And they were suddenly like, what am I supposed to be? How am I supposed to behave? And women listening to this might think, well, it's easy. You know how to behave. Actually, it's not that easy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Had the person who perpetrated this crime been an illegal asylum seeker, you're not entitled to commit violence, but you're certainly entitled to feel rage about that happening at a time when this whole issue of illegal asylum seekers coming in taking over the country, all that argument they put forward, it would at least have had some validity that that was why they were angry.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Even the premise wasn't accurate. But everything about it was wrong, right? So the riots were whipped up by people, malevolent voices who should have known better. Tommy Robinson, Andrew Tate and others, I took on Tate about this a few days later. And that's a problem with social media. Now, Let's go further to when a lot of people were put in prison because they tweeted things.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
That I don't agree with, right? And I don't agree with that because it seems a ridiculous overreach. And when you overreach to that level where people are literally, you know, grandmothers have been put in prison for two years for something they put on Facebook, that's not a sensible response to this either. If people are actually chucking Molotov cocktails at an asylum seeker hotel, yeah.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Chuck him in prison for a few years, but a granny gobbling off on Facebook? Come on. Is that what we're really about in this country?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's just this sort of... Well, that would be an angry resentment. But to what? Well, people having what you don't have and your fear. And look, who knows what's going on in these people's lives, right?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I understand the rage of people who maybe through the pandemic have come out and they've got no job. Maybe they've gone through a horrible divorce. Maybe they've got no money. They can't afford to feed their kids. Their lives are shit. And I understand they're going to feel angry. Of course I do. And by the way, there are lots of people in this country who are in that position, lots.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And you've got to understand what is driving that.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Particularly if you've been conditioned to think that being a man is X, Y, Z, and suddenly you're told all those things are things to be ashamed of. And now we've had the pendulum swing back a little bit, and you're seeing a sort of corrective balance, where I think people have begun to work out where the boundaries are, where the lines are, to a degree. I think it's still complex out there.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
They're like a fight, mate. Let's not overthink football hooligans, right? I've seen them in action. Most of them just like a good old punch-up. They like a drink. probably some drugs and a fight. And they actually love it. And to understand the mind of a football hooligan, you need to start from that.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Even the guys in the back row, they seem to... Yeah, look, mob mentality can brew up very quickly. Of course, I've been at football matches.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Yes, I think a lot of football – I mean, look, when I was young, football dominated every single match. It was pretty scary and thrilling at the same time. I can't pretend otherwise. When I was 18, 19, watching battles on the terraces was exciting in a way that watching a UFC fight can be exciting. But I'd rather have the more controlled environment than having it happening on a football terrace.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And now it doesn't. But I wouldn't over-intellectualise the average British football hooligan. They might like to see themselves as political polemics with their fists, but they're not. Most of them just like a good fight.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, it was handed to my great-uncle John. He was a war hero. He got the George Medal for heroism in the war. Actually, a brilliant story because he was in the army in World War II. He'd been invalided temporarily out with some bad injuries. And he was in a pub where he was being billeted with his, I think it was the Irish Regiment. And a prototype German bomber landed in a field near the pub.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And the guys all grabbed their guns and they went and had it out with the German crew because it hadn't exploded. And they heard one of them say, bomber, bomber. And my great uncle John jumped in, looked around, found the bomb, which was designed to blow up the prototype plane so the Allies couldn't get the information from it, and threw it away into a pond where it blew up.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And you're seeing it at the moment with the whole Greg Wallace scandal in the UK. And, you know, for American viewers, very simply, he's a guy who does a cooking show on TV who's been very laddish for 20 years or so. And now that laddishness has come back to be used as a stick to beat him. And he said a lot of things which are pretty unpalatable to women who've now ganged up to complain about him.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And he got the George Medal. It would have been the George Cross, which is the military version. But at the time, he was actually deemed to be a civilian because he was invalided. He was going to go back. And it was actually – it was the Battle of Graveney Marsh. You can read about it. No way. It was the last time that British troops engaged an enemy in British soil, and it was 70 years ago.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And they had the anniversary about – It must have been 10 years ago. My brother went down. He was an army colonel with my grandmother, whose brother it would be. And they had a lovely day down in Graveney Marsh. And that was the last time. And he won the medal for that. It's just a great story. And the other great part of it was he went to get his George medal up from Buckingham Palace.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think it must have been from the Queen, I guess. And he went out the night before with the regiment, got blind drunk, came back, told the porter outside, I've got an appointment with the Queen at 11 o'clock. He thought the guy was obviously just making this up, laughed, didn't wake him up, overslept.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Wow. He did get it eventually. Great Uncle John, a fantastic guy. Anyway, the point of the story is that he was at Covent Garden talking to a flower seller. And the flower seller was imparting these phrases. And one was, life ain't much, but it's all you got. So stick a geranium in your hat and be happy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I'm not sure if the other one, the cock of the walk, my grandmother always gave me this phrase, one day a cock of the walk, the next a feather duster. But she would send it to me with pictures of a cockerel when I was going through a particularly good time, just to remind me, be careful because the feather duster might be around the corner. Very, very good device.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
So I'm not sure if she got that from Uncle John, but he certainly got a lot of his sayings from this Covent Garden flower seller.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, I come from the Winston Churchill school of thought. You know, failure is going from, success is going from failure to failure with no discernible loss of enthusiasm. And he was the greatest Briton of all time. But he had a lot of failures. He had a lot of successes. I love Michael Jordan's view about success and failure.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He could remember making thousands of baskets, but he could also remember the 26 times he had the shot to win a match and he failed. And he said, without that, you never do the rest. And I do, you know, Wayne Gretzky, who I met in a New York restaurant actually a few months ago. Fantastic bloke. I had a great chat with him. Greatest ice hockey player in history.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Famous for the quote, you'll miss 100% of the shots you never take. I have gone through my entire life with that attitude. Just have a go. Have a go. See what happens. Sometimes it's been spectacularly successful. Sometimes it's crashed and burned.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Literally deep breath, however bad it is, whatever it is, I count to 10. And at the end of 10, okay, now crack on. There's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I mean, look, all the things that people know that have happened to me, I've had moments when I've lost big jobs or whatever it may be. They always seem worse to other people than they do to me in the moment, I would say. I just literally do the count to 10, whatever it is. I just think short of death or terminal illness, everything is recoverable from. It's entirely down to you.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I do think mental strength is the number one thing that you can have to succeed in life. Look at Donald Trump, right? That guy has got the thinnest skin in history. He'll react to absolutely everything. But he also has a thicker skin in that he can take stuff that no other politician has ever taken and keep pounding forward. And I love the scene in Rocky in the sixth film.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But again, that raises that whole area of workplace banter. workplace relationships, right? I mean, I read that until 10 years ago, 40% of all marriages began with a workplace romance. That stat cannot exist today because how does it start? Historically, it would be a guy in a superior position with a woman in a lesser position. That's historically because of the gender imbalance in the workplace.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
When he's got the spoiled brat son, he's in his 20s, who hates being Rocky's son and moaning and whining. And he's just a spoiled little brat. And Rocky eventually has it out with him in the street. And he says, listen, life is not a bunch of flowers or something. He starts, he says, it's not about how hard you can hit. Life is about how hard you can get here. Get back up and keep moving forward.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
That's how winning is done. And I love that speech so much. My sons have it on repeat.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Keep pounding, right? Because something will happen. But if you don't have the right mental attitude to when negative stuff happens to you, you're not going to be able to exploit the good stuff when it comes your way. I remember Kelvin McKenzie, the infamous but brilliant editor of The Sun, the only editor I ever worked for, actually.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I worked there for five years when The Sun was selling like four or five million copies. And he used to rampage around from morning, noon, and night. It was a terrifying spectacle. But it was a paper cracker with great energy. It was the days when papers were very, very important. And I remember he said, you know the most annoying thing about you, Morgan?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
After one tremendous bollocking he gave me, eyes bulging, neck straining, the whole thing. He said, is every – because I'd gone back in about an hour later with a good scoop – He said, the most annoying thing is I can't break you. He said, every time I give you a bollocking, you just come back quickly with a scoop. He said, I admire it and I hate it in equal measure.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I've always tried to be like that. I just think there's such wasted energy to wallow in misery or negativity or something that's bad that's happened to you. I've always celebrated. I mean, Mars, the confectioners, used to apparently celebrate
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
chocolate bars that didn't work because it was so rare that all their testing didn't turn out to be a success they'd celebrate the failure because they'd learn more from the failures i completely agree and it toughens you up you know tough stuff in life toughens you up i've heard you say things that feel terrible in the moment very rarely are they always look back on the worst things that have ever happened to you if you're still alive think about the worst things have ever happened to you how bad do they feel now and guess what you woke up this morning it wasn't as bad as you thought
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
So I think that's a really powerful way to look at it. Think about all the bad, however old you are, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, carry on. But look back at the worst moments of your life, the moments you thought you'd never recover from. Look where you are. You recovered. Well, like I say, if you're dead, that's bad. If you're terminally ill, that's bad. But after that,
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
What's stopping you bouncing back other than yourself? So it's entirely down to you. Just take my advice. Count to 10. Then go out with your mates. Get blind drunk. Turn your phone off. Go on holiday. Whenever a friend of mine loses a high-profile job, and it happens a lot in the media, I always say the same thing. I say, turn your phone off and piss off for three or four months.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Just go to a beach. Write a book, lie down, just chill. Don't take any offer you're given for the next three, four months because your head won't be in the right space at all. It's the best advice you can give anybody. Clear your head.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But I do think we are not training young minds the right way. I've felt very strongly about this for a long time. What would that look like? Well, I see so many, my youngest son in particular, his age group, have a lot of anxiety issues. And I've been wrestling with why.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I read Jonathan Haidt's brilliant book about mobile phones and cell phones and how actually since 2010, the incidence of anxiety and depression in young people has massively accelerated. So there's a clear connection between phones when they went smart, And they are smart, but they're also very dangerous on impressionable young minds and the effect it had on young people.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I want to really tackle the anxiety epidemic. That's what it is. I think they're being exposed to way too much anxiety negative dopamine all day long on their phones. They are seeing imagery from Gaza, from Ukraine, that we never would have been able to see when I was that age, ever. You couldn't see it. You were protected. Newspapers wouldn't put that stuff in the paper.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
So how do people meet now at work? They're not really allowed to. So what happens then? Then you gravitate to dating apps.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
The two or three news channels on television wouldn't have put it on air. There was no internet. There were no phones. How did you see it? You couldn't see it. If somebody was eaten by a crocodile in Florida on a golf course, You didn't even know about it. Now you're watching the video of the guy from someone's camera phone being eaten by the crocodile. So that's not going away.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, it's not going away. But look at what Australia has done with banning social media for under-16s. I agree with that. And it's not a free speech issue. It's a free the brain issue. Would you support that in the UK? I would, actually. Yeah, I do think that social media for under-16s is dangerous. I do. Because they're not regulated like a newspaper or a TV network. They're just not.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Look at Twitter all day. You think it's regulated? It's not. Look at Facebook. They are putting way too much bad stuff on there. And because they can't control it, because of the sheer volume of stuff coming in all the time in real time, because they can't control it, we should control the access that impressionable young brains have to that material, as we would anything else.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I think that's a really important thing. I've seen the reactions. It's quite interesting, the reaction. What do you make of it? Well, it's quite a split. Like I've seen people on the right and the left agreeing and disagreeing, which makes me think it's an interesting debate to have.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But I think 16 is a good age limit. Yeah. My daughter's 13. I don't think her life gets benefited at all in the next three years by being exposed to everything that's on social media.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Yeah. And that's, you've seen that their popularity is decreasing. So I do think, well, how are people meeting each other actually? With difficulty.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
What's next for you? Well, I want to make Piers Morgan Uncensored the biggest YouTube channel in the world. What does that mean? Plays? Well, I would say at the moment, yeah, I think the potential for a brand like mine to expand the brand, to bring other people in, A bit like the Daily Wire. Create a network. Create a network of uncensored people doing uncensored things.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
YouTube channel, books, documentaries, merchandise. One of my favorite stories of Daily Wire is that they had someone running with an advertiser about hair gel or something. So they launched their own hair gel line.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's making like 10, 20 million a year, right? Yeah, I'd love a bit of Morgan merch. But I think the potential for what I'm doing and what you do is obviously potentially massive. This was the first YouTube election in America where more people watched analysis and election coverage on election night on YouTube than broadcast or cable news.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Also the first podcast election where one candidate did endless big podcasts and YouTube shows.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Well, I like the idea of it. I certainly think that when you've got a thumping win for a guy like Donald Trump, who's been helped over the line by people like Elon, like Joe Rogan and others, who simply don't tolerate or believe in the concept of cancel culture, that's incredibly powerful. And I think you send a message to the woke world
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I always temper this kind of part of a discussion about woke-ism by saying when woke-ism originally began back in the 60s in America, it came out of music, actually, and it was a clarion call for people to be more aware of social and racial injustice. By that criteria alone, I'm woke, happy to be woke.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's just the way it's been hijacked in the last 10 years by what I call – I call them fascists. They hate it because they hate fascists.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But I say, do you not understand that when you operate on a principle of cancel culture, of virtue signaling, of fact-devoid bullshit about things like supporting trans athletes in women's sport to the point where it just destroys the integrity of women's sport irrevocably, when you pound those drums, actually you're behaving like a fascist.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
where you want people to think like you, to act like you, to speak like you, to have the same values, to have the same principles, to have the same heroes, to read the same books, to watch the same movies, to laugh at the same jokes. And if you deviate, we're going to destroy you. That's fascism, actually. And they don't seem to either understand that or they're in denial.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But this election's a big wake-up call because I think this election was you had Kamala Harris, progressive, pretty far-left progressive throughout her entire political career, desperately trying to move to the centre when she became the nominee. But it was all too late because the receipts were there.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And the receipts were used against her, memorably in that trans ad that the Trump campaign did, which they reckon moved the needle by up to three points, where it simply ended with, Kamala Harris is for they, them. Donald Trump is for you. That was very simple, but very effective. Because actually, personal pronouns are bullshit. And we all kind of know they're bullshit.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think he'll go down as one of the worst presidents. He stayed on way too long and clearly cognitively he was in decline. I think the botched coronation of his vice president was another fiasco which came back to haunt them. I think the problem with Joe Biden is that he – the whole issue of Hunter Biden and the way he's now pardoned him –
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And now I've noticed on my emails, people have stopped using them. Yeah. Because they now realize actually it's made them look a little bit ridiculous, particularly those who insist on calling themselves they. As Joe Rogan said about Sam Smith, there's only one of you, buddy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think the concepts are dead. The actual execution of the death may take some time. But I do think that if it wasn't dead, you'd have seen a massive victory for a progressive far-left candidate in Kamala Harris, who pretended she wasn't, but actually is to her bootstraps. And she got wiped out. And I think that that's an indication of three things. One, Americans trusted
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Trump to fix the economy and illegal immigration better than they trusted her to do that. Secondly, there's something about him on the world stage, the swagger that Trump brings to the office, which annoys a lot of people, but he's actually quite effective. And I think that that was partly in people's minds, particularly when he put his fist up after being shot.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
Yeah, I mean, I think it would have been a very smart move by Trump to send a unifying message to a very fractured and divided America if he was to do it. But for Joe Biden to do it after assuring the world, including the American electorate, repeatedly... in the last few months up to the election, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to pardon him.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He showed the world that the potential president of the United States was a badass, strong guy. And I think that moment may have won him the election when we look back in history to that moment, particularly when he then got back on a debate stage the week later, a rally stage, and did it all over again in front of 20,000 complete strangers. I spoke to him at night.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He rang me because he'd seen me talk about it on Fox. And I said, I've got to say, whether people love you or hate you, that is a badass statement of personal courage. And he was interesting because he actually said in that call – I knew if I didn't get back out there now, I might never get back out there, which I thought was interesting. You don't often hear Trump A little bit of vulnerability.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It's a weird thing. I mean, it's weird to other people more than me. I've known Trump for nearly 20 years. I competed in the Celebrity Apprentice, the first season of it in 2007, 8, and I won it. And I spent about 100 hours around Trump. I worked out later in that season. And I was very informative, particularly in the boardroom filming scenes, which could last up to three hours.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I saw a lot of the way Trump is over hours in the way he interacts with people. Yeah. And it always struck me there was a disconnect between Trump, the politician, and particularly the president, and the guy I saw in that boardroom. The guy in the boardroom was much warmer. much less combative. He liked mischief and he liked stirring things up and he liked drama, all those things.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But he had a streak of empathy towards contestants and stuff, which I've never seen him show as a president. He believes that he's got to be a strong man all the time. I think right now, because of the shooting and because of the scale of his win, which has basically knocked all his critics out, I think he's showing a bit more of that side now. The dancing on stage, you know, to YMCA.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He's always positioned himself as the whiter than white candidate against Trump. That Trump's the liar. Trump's shameless. Trump's corrupt. Trump is hypocritical. All these things. That was the stick he repeatedly used to beat Trump. And now in one fell swoop, one action. Because it's not just he's pardoned him for the things of which he's been convicted.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I mean, the ultimate joke, really, that the guy who's called the most bigoted president in history chose the number one gay anthem in history to sing on stage. And he's got America dancing the Trump dance, right? I see him laughing a lot more in public now, relaxing, enjoying dinners, which are filmed and put out there. I see him doing a lot more interaction with people.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think, yeah, that's the guy I remember from Apprentice, the boardroom, when he did the McDonald's stunt, when he did the garbage truck stunt. And I've seen this really accelerate since he got shot. I think he's a changed man since then. I don't think he's going to lose the pugilistic side or the trash-talking side or any of those things which are part of his DNA as a New York real estate guy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
But I do think he's got that empathy streak he's always hidden is now coming out more. And I think he's a happier and more relaxed guy this time because we haven't seen what we saw in 2016, which is the mass protests, the fury, the venom, the visceral hatred from the mainstream media, the Russia collusion thing. for years and so on.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You take away that side and you take away the thing that Trump talks about in his book, The Art of the Deal, where he says, if someone punches you in the face, you hit them back 10 times harder. And he means metaphorically as well as physically. And for the first four years of that presidency, he was punched all the time and he reacted by punching.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
It became just basically a brawl between him and the media and his political opponents. This time around, there's not that same atmosphere. He doesn't have to be as harsh. He doesn't have to be as defensive. He's won. And he's had four years to think about what he did right and wrong the first time.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
The last time he rang me this week, the week before Thanksgiving, the Wednesday of that week. And he said, Piers, it's Donald. He said, I was just watching you on TV and you were looking great. And I just thought I'm going to call you and tell you. Now, I suspect that isn't actually what he was thinking. He just wanted to have a chat. But it's classic Trump. Immediately, you're like, was I?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I was laughing. But we do have really good conversations. And he was telling me about all sorts of stuff, Ukraine and Russia and his cabinet and so on and so on. He knows I'm not going to repeat that kind of stuff. But there have been very warm conversations, very open conversations.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
And I just sense in him that the shooting in particular, and then the big scale of the win, they've had a profound effect on him. You know, he's nearly 80. He doesn't have to fight an election anymore. He only has to worry about a legacy.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
You can tell from his cabinet picks, he's gone for people who are not establishment, because last time he chose establishment people, who then basically a lot of them did him in. And probably were there to do him in from the start. This time he's got people who are ferociously loyal and in many cases have been very successful in their own fields, which are completely different.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
We see WWE as being a criteria for selection to his cabinet. But why not? I mean, why not choose people like that?
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
He's pardoned him for anything else he may have done since 2014 in that period. It's a decade of crime. It's like, what else has gone on here? A lot of rumors about much bigger stuff that may have happened. And you look at it and you think, wow, that's the kind of thing that, honestly, they talk about a banana republic relating to Trump.
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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West
I think there'll be a lot of schadenfreude. A lot of people say, told you. I think Trump knows that. I think he's aware of the potential opportunity here, the chance to, in a way, have a second go at his legacy, because he had one go at it, which ended catastrophically with the January 6th rioting, which was a shameful moment in American history. And that was on him.
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Let me ask you, Deborah, given that you were the face of COVID from the Trump presidency at the time, do you share, this doctor who I was with, do you share the concerns about the longer term negative impact of some of the COVID vaccines?
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You got what seems like a milkshake thrown at you. Was that what it was? I don't know what was thrown at me, but it hit me in the face, fair and square. Quite frightening.
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All right. Well, Christopher, still, you're about to leave us because you're only here for this part of the of the panel. But your response finally to that.
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We're going to leave it there.
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Let's leave it there. I want to move on to other subjects. Christopher Steele, thank you for joining us. I appreciate it.
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#2260 - Lex Fridman
That's not funny at all. Yeah, it makes sense. If you want to get things done.
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#2260 - Lex Fridman
It's more like jerking off with a condom on. Jerking off with a thing. It's not even fucking with a condom on. For the metaphor, yeah.
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#2260 - Lex Fridman
Explain that, what that sounds like. It's an orchestra. It's millions of little organisms. Screaming. There's no silence at night.
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What was it like going over there and interviewing Zelensky?
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I want to ask you just quickly, the film director Olivia Wilde has a new movie out, which she says is based on you, this insane man, this pseudo-intellectual hero to the incel community, incel being these weirdo loner men who are despicable in many ways. Is that you? Are you the intellectual hero to these people?
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It's making you emotional to talk about that.
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He's a father and he's being young down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful?
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Best of the Week: Trump vs. NBC, Insane CEO Assassination Reaction, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee
Should they all be killed then? Should they all be killed, these health care executives? Would that make you even more joyful?
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No. Joyful or even to even say you're not empathetic about somebody losing their life when they leave behind two young boys.
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There is no actual truth. hard evidence to support this. And yet it's dominating the news agenda now for years and turned out to be a nothing burger of monumental proportions, but a nothing burger that caused Donald Trump a lot of damage. And, you know, it would have been really interesting if he'd sued at the time about that stuff, because it did turn out to be nonsense.
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And he knew it was nonsense because he was the one that was being accused of it.
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Yeah, it is. And you're completely right about AOC. She brazenly repeated in a private capacity, as you say, not on the floor of the house or anything like that. She did it in her own home to the world on her account. She put it out there repeating the exact same defamation that George Seppalopoulos had said on air that cost ABC $15 million. So if you're going to be that brazen,
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And think about what a judge or a courtroom would make of that. They'd say, well, you could hardly pretend you didn't know. This has literally been a massive headline-grabbing settlement in the last few weeks. And you've decided that it doesn't apply to you, that somehow you are on some superior plane to George Stephanopoulos, which allows you to call Trump a rapist and get away with it.
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Well, if I was Trump, I'd call her bluff. I'd sue her. And by the way, he'd win. Yeah. Just like he did with ABC. And so I do think he needs to have more of his accountability. And people will say, well, what about free speech? It's not about free speech. It's a bit like what I said about the real life alleged stalker from Baby Reindeer.
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If Netflix is going to put out, I love Netflix, very successful company. I use it all the time, just to be clear. Yeah, same. Netflix is going to broadcast a seven-part series, which they say at the start of it, this is a true story. So every time you logged on to watch an episode, this is a true story.
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And then you say in that true story that Richard Gad, who's the writer, and he's the guy who plays himself in the series, if you then...
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depict him being forensically stalked by this woman, who then gets convicted and put in prison, and it turns out they claim has already had a previous prison sentence, and none of that is true, then little wonder that she's now taken out a massive lawsuit against Netflix. But why would Netflix do that?
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Why would you call it a true story without, A, doing the due diligence of whether actually this was true, Or be worse, you know it's true, but you don't care. And there's a little bit of that about Donald Trump, isn't there? Well, a lot of that about Donald Trump, which is I think a lot of journalists feel they can say whatever they like about him, and that's fine.
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And I think what he did with the Stephanopoulos case is put a line in the sand and say, right, if you guys are going to defame me on fact, and you mentioned earlier, you try and stick to facts. You're a lawyer by background. I'm a newspaper editor by background. We know how important facts are.
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It's not to say we've always been faultless ourselves, but it's to say we understand the importance of veracity. We don't come from the Meghan Markle, my truth school of focus.
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We come from the facts are actual facts. Now, you can then, if you take a fact, you can then... Comment as you wish about it. You can interpret a fact any way you like. You can be as opinionated as you want. Right, but what you can't do is do that about something which isn't true because then you're just defaming people.
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And A, there's no point in that because you lose trust with your viewers if you keep doing that. If they know you're saying one thing but actually it's not true and you repeat that, I think you're pretty dead in the water as a broadcaster who'd be taken seriously by anybody. But B, why do it? In AOC's case, she's done that deliberately. She's almost taunting Trump. Come and sue me.
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And if I were him, he probably hasn't got time or the information, but if I was him, I would. I'd call her bluff.
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Well, it is when you've got a woman involved who, look, for what it's worth, having interviewed her, I think she's a pretty unpleasant troll. I heard from other people who've been on the receiving end of her trolling that it can be pretty unpleasant.
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Oh, I was going to say, because I love Linda Fairstein. I don't even know Linda Fairstein. She's fantastic. But, no, Fiona Harvey, who was the alleged stalker in the Baby Reindeer series, the real-life woman behind that, you know, in her case, she was leading a normal life. Now, she's not, you know, like I say, she could be a pretty unpleasant trollage.
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I know people who've been on the receiving end. But that doesn't make you a criminal stalker. And there's a big difference between the two things. And the moment that the Netflix story drama dropped on Netflix, I say drama. They didn't bill it as a drama. They billed it as a true story. But at the moment, it was a dramatized, supposedly factual account of what had happened.
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But the moment it dropped, she was identified almost immediately because they literally used a little bit of phraseology from her then tweets, now posts on X. They used the exact wording of her posts in
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series so people just tap them into twitter as it was at the time it was my hairstylist who's an amateur crime solver had it within two minutes within two minutes so they immediately realized it was this woman fiona harvey her life then becomes completely turned upside down and destroyed to the extent she couldn't leave her house because people were bombarding her with hate turning up on her doorstep it's you know calling her shouting abuse at her and so on because they believe the version of events
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in the series. Now, like I say, she's not a particularly, you know, she's not someone you warm to or you feel particularly sorry for because I've seen the stuff she sent people and it's pretty unpleasant. But I would categorize it like I would a troll on Twitter, on X, right? It's that kind of stuff. That does not make you a criminal.
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And she has not, to anyone's proof so far, passed the bar of criminality. And yet in the series, like I said, they don't only say at the end, he gets charged and convicted of stalking Richard Gadd. They also throw in for good measure that she had a previous conviction for stalking somebody else. Now, I interviewed the person. that was supposedly part of that story.
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And she's a lawyer from Scotland who confirmed that actually, no, she never got convicted of stalking her. There was a warning letter from police, but again, a very different thing.
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I did. But funny enough, I never heard anything from her. And so people kept saying to me, I hope you didn't give her your phone number. But I used to joke and say, no, I gave her Don Lemon's just to annoy him, which is not true, obviously. But it was, you know, I mean, I never heard another word from her. And she had ways of probably getting communication to me.
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So what that told me, it's very interesting you ask that question, because What it told me was that she probably is not a stalker. Stalkers don't behave like that. Stalkers never give up. In her case, both with Richard Gad and the previous person she was accused of harassing, the moment the police got involved at all, she stopped. Now, stalkers don't stop. No, they don't.
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A very good friend of mine is a top broadcaster in the UK. He's had a stalker for 25 years, and it's been relentless, despite this person going to prison several times for stalking her. And real stalkers are so demented, they never stop their obsession. That's right. That's why I really don't believe she's one of those.
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Not only is she not a convicted stalker, I don't think she behaves like an actual stalker. That doesn't mean to say she's squeaky clean or a particularly nice person, but you cannot build a whole hugely successful, very profitable Netflix series that you call a true story by telling the viewers who are watching, this woman is a convicted criminal.
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If she's not, if you do, that is a serious defamation.
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Well, you're missing my favorite of all, which I'm sure you've discussed at length this week, the Elon Musk supposed Nazi salute. Because the guaranteed thing is that at some stage, the Democrats, liberals, whoever you want to call them, the woke left, at some stage will turn everything back to Hitler and Nazis, which is their obsession.
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Everybody knows that Elon Musk is not a Nazi and doesn't want to support the Nazi party and despises Hitler like the rest of us decent folk. They all know that. And yet they've managed to take his signal, which, as he's explained, in the moment and afterwards was from my heart to you.
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And all right, as I said in my post on X, it was probably ill-advised to do it the way he did it because I knew what would happen. But that doesn't change the fact that it was all bullshit and that obviously he wasn't doing a Nazi salute. And yet the left could not stop themselves from reverting back to the same playbook that that cost Hillary Clinton her election campaign in 2016.
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It cost Biden, or Kamala Harris, as it turned out, but Biden before that, and then Harris, this one as well. Because the reality is, the moment you start using Hitler and the Nazis about Trump or his supporters, you're just telling most right-minded people that you have lost your mind.
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and that your Trump derangement syndrome is so advanced and so pathetic that you would genuinely equate people who support a guy like Trump, who has never ordered the Holocaust of anybody and isn't going to, let alone murder 6 million Jews and 12 million people. In fact, he's an anti-war president, which for a Republican is pretty unprecedented in modern history.
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Megan, great to see you. I'm extremely well, thank you.
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Somebody who wants to end wars, not stop them, and yet they compare him to one of the worst genocidal maniacs in the history of the planet, and that anyone who supports him is a fascist, a Nazi, and so on. And you would have thought they'd learned their lesson, Megan, by what happened in the election. That when you get a shellacking that big, and people from every single...
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ethnic group, whether it was blacks, whites, Latinos, whether it was Jews, Muslims, you name it, women, men, old, young, everyone gravitated to Trump in bigger numbers. Because as he put it in his victory speech, understood that underpinning what he's about is a core of common sense. The Democrats have lost an ability to understand what common sense is. They sound nuts.
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And whether it's them trying to persuade us that biological men should compete in women's sport, because of course they should, when the rest of us all know it's utterly insane and grotesquely unfair. or whether it's saying that Trump and his supporters are a bunch of Nazis, whatever it is, it sounds like the ideology and thinking of a lunatic.
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ridiculous. Of course I can't. Of course I can't. And what I hate most about it is that the gender specific language has been eradicated at the altar of far left wokeism to the extent where, just a little example, but it really annoys me. I always fly with British Airways, wonderful airline, fly the flag for my country. I love it. And I usually fly to America on it and have a great time.
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But they used to always say, and I used to love this, a soothing accent would come on from the pilot. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I will be flying your plane today. I'm captain. So it sounded, well, obviously the British accent, as you know, Megan, always sounds so sophisticated. And it's always charming and erudite, all those lovely things. But never mind that.
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It was a fact that he would greet ladies and gentlemen. That used to be fine. That used to be something which was perfectly normal because the vast majority of human beings are ladies or gentlemen and identify as such. But now they're not allowed to do it. Now there's been an edict put out that they cannot be specific about gender.
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Well, what it means is I have basically acquired my YouTube channel. So I had a three-year deal with Rupert Murdoch and News and I had a very good chat with him about what I wanted to do. I didn't want to be just a talent for hire anymore when it came to the deal being renewed. It made me a very generous offer, which I So, look, it's very generous. I'm really appreciative.
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They can't say ladies and gentlemen, because there might be somebody sitting at the back who's offended because they don't identify as a lady or gentleman. To which I say, what about my right and the vast majority of passengers' right who want to be identified as lady and gentleman? What happens to our rights? to be identified how we want to be identified.
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What has happened in the last few years is that a small minority of people have been catered for to such a ridiculous degree that all language has had to be changed to accommodate them. even if the vast majority of people want the language to stay the same.
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Trump is ending that quickly and I'm so glad to see it because actually it's been one of the worst things about wokeism is this gender neutrality coming into every aspect of life and the pretence that somehow people who give birth are not women. and mothers. People who breastfeed are not women and mothers. Men don't breastfeed. That's it. End.
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It's ridiculous. And can you imagine if you did a heterosexual version of that? The outrage that would be erupting from the LGBTQ plus community that they were being offended and insulted in this way by having a straight version of that in classrooms. So there's an absolute hypocrisy here as well. But never mind all that. None of this stuff should be in classrooms. You know, we learned nothing.
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But I actually want to own my own business. And like you, I think we've both worked out that the future is not traditional linear television or traditional newspapers or any of the kind of legacy media, for want of a better phrase. Anyone under 40 is now consuming almost all of their news, opinion and comment from shows like mine, shows like yours online.
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Keep this stuff away from classrooms. You know, because apart from anything else, what you end up with, you know, I'll tell you one little story about a school in the south of England, which I happen to know quite well. And they got a thousand pupils.
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And when the gender fluid craze was sweeping through the world and particularly in Britain, but also America as well, 98 pupils, I was told, out of a thousand began identifying as gender fluid pupils. Now, when I heard that, what was quite obvious to me was two things. One, they didn't know what they were really doing.
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And secondly, that if you asked the question today, how many of them are still gender fluid, the answer would probably be almost zero, which is, guess what? Exactly what's happened. In other words, young kids will pick up fads and they'll run with them. And David Bowie was a massive rock star in the 70s and was a slightly cross-dressing guy who wore makeup.
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Lots of kids at school began doing the same to emulate their hero. That's what young teens in particular do. But what you mustn't do as a society, I don't believe, and I'm sure you share this view, you don't put this kind of stuff into classrooms to get inside young impressionable minds in some pursuit of what you think you're doing is positive, but actually you can have a very...
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discombobulating, confusing effect on these young minds at the same time. I really just hate it. I've got four kids. I don't want my kids anywhere near this stuff. Just don't do it.
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Yeah, I think it's fantastic and long overdue. And I'm sure it's been driven by RFK Jr., who I've interviewed many times, including talking to him about this very issue. And this is the guy whose father was assassinated, whose uncle was assassinated, and he's never really got the answers himself. And it is ridiculous that something that happened previously
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Back in the 60s, both of these assassinations, that there should still be anything held from the American people. The American people have a right to know absolutely everything about their presidents and about their leading politicians. Here you've got two of the most famous and charismatic politicians in American history and, of course, Martin Luther King as well. So there's three of them.
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are arguably three of the most pivotal political figures of modern American times. And yet there still remain all sorts of conspiracy theories, all sorts of unanswered questions about all of their deaths. And the best way to try and deal with that, as always, is to be completely transparent and to let everybody see absolutely everything that's in those files and work it out for themselves.
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The moment you start hiding stuff, the moment you start suppressing the truth from the public, that is what fuels conspiracy theories. Every single time, nailed down. If you let the public know, as they have done for many decades, that we are not showing you some of these files because it might be dangerous for American national security or whatever, it's a load of hogwash. The reality is,
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and, you know, individuals who are creating their own kind of media entities and using YouTube as the main platform to do that. And I think that this is the future. And I've got three sons, 31, 27, 24. They don't watch conventional television. They get all their stuff. social media, and in particular, via YouTube channels like yours and mine. So I think it was a logical thing to do.
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There's a duty to be transparent about these things. The American people and the world, frankly, have a right to know.
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Yeah, I completely agree. I think that my criteria with all these things, and it applies to the January the 6th rioters, protesters, whatever people want to call them, and Trump's pardons. I actually came down with J.D. Vance on that and not Donald Trump. I would not have pardoned the ones who perpetrated acts of violence against the police.
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And I have the same view of the anti-abortion protesters. If they're protesting peacefully, that is the basic intrinsic right of every American citizen, to have the right to exercise your right to peacefully protest. And if you've transgressed some little local law about trespass or whatever it may be, fine. As you say... remove them.
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I don't even think it's a risk. We've done the hard yards, you and I, I think in building our personal brands. And people, I think, like to hear what we have to say. They like the interviews we do. They like the debates we put on. And this is absolutely, to me, the future. And I think more and more people will take the leap and come with us on what is a pretty exciting journey.
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If they're then violent towards the police who are removing them, then that's a different thing. If they're not, then that's where it should be left. And I just think this, we're seeing a lot of it in the UK where people are being arrested and charged and sometimes imprisoned for putting comments on Facebook and so on.
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And my criteria with them is if they are actually organising violence, and you can see that in what they're writing, If they are genuinely organising violence or they're perpetrating it, that is one thing. If they're not, they're expressing perhaps very unpleasant views or nasty views, whatever it may be, or they're using language that people don't like. That is not an imprisonable offence to me.
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That's your pre-speech right, to be obnoxious, to be unpleasant and all these things. So the dividing line for me always is violence. And it doesn't matter whether you're a BLM rioter or a January 6th protester or an anti-abortionist or whatever it may be.
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If you cross the line into violence or you are orchestrating violence or planning it, that is one thing and you should feel the full force of the law. If you're peacefully protesting, then you should be left alone to peacefully protest.
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What it tells us is, rather comically, that when you have this couple who, remember on their website, it says that they're all about compassion. They're compassionate people. They're also all about mental health and helping people with mental health. They've been very vocal about that recently, about the perils of online trolling and the effect it has on people's mental health.
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And yet here we are with Vanity Fair The Hollywood Bible, the thing that Meghan was most thrilled about getting the cover of a few years ago when she got engaged to Harry, which went down very badly with the palace at the time, I can tell you. But now it reveals actually she in particular is a nasty little bully who sends staff into therapy. Think about that for a moment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This also follows all the stories about her bullying staff over here in the UK, which is unresolved. NDAs stopped all that stuff coming out, but she bullied people in a very unpleasant way over here. So it's no surprise to people who work at Buckingham Palace, they saw and witnessed all this here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
So I just showed, look, they're a pair of hypocrites, they're a pair of chances, as the Spotify guy called them, a pair of effing grifters. And they're desperately trying to maintain some kind of future as a renegade royal couple when they're no longer part of the royal family. The royals don't talk to them. You know, the king does not talk to his own son.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
None of the senior royals talk to these two. They are total pariahs in the family because the only currency they have is trashing the royal family and the monarchy. And every time they try and do something else, nobody cares. No one cared about their podcast series. Nobody cared about the polo series recently. Nobody cares about any of it. All they want to hear is the dirt.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And these two for five years have reveled and wallowed in royal dirt for vast amounts of money. And that's what makes Prince Harry's ongoing campaign against the UK newspapers, which had another flare up this week, so laughably hypocritical because he talks about intrusion into royal privacy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And yet, if you ask any senior member of the royal family who has invaded your privacy the worst, it's Prince Harry. It's the guy who gave the inside track for money to Oprah, to Netflix, to his publishers, to anyone who would pay top dollar. This guy invaded the privacy of his family.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And yet he has the goal to present himself as some great standard bearer of ethics and decency when it comes to royal privacy. Do me a favour.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Yeah, and I would add to that that they can watch it when they want to. The younger generation do not want to be beholden to conventional schedules. When I first started doing my show, I was doing it on YouTube, but also on a linear platform called Talk TV in the UK, which didn't last very long because it wasn't the kind of appetite for it that Americans have for cable newsletter night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
I mean, they're just so completely deluded. That's the thing that always strikes me. It's utter delusion. And they're also just shocking hypocrites. Do you remember when they were lecturing us all about carbon footprint and climate change? And then they were using Elton John and George Clooney's private planes like taxi services. They actually, on the day of her...
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
half a million dollar baby shower in New York, attended by all the great and good ladies of New York. That was the same day that from their then Twitter account, they lectured the British people about poverty. I mean, you couldn't make it up. And now what's happened, I mean, what's most laughable of all in a sort of horrible way,
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
is that she's got this new series where she's trying to be the new Martha Stewart, where she's going to be cooking in her fancy mansion for all her fancy friends, very fancy food. Can you imagine a less appropriate thing in California right now than this fake princess, this duchess trading off the title she got given by an institution she's trying to ruin?
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Actually, it's prancing about in this kitchen in a multimillion-dollar mansion with her famous friends in California when 12,000 to 14,000 people have just lost their homes in the most horrendous fires that the city's ever had in Los Angeles and that the state's ever seen. It is so unbelievably inappropriate that that series could go ahead. But I bet it does.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Great to see you, Megan. Just to say it's available now, Piers Morgan Uncensored, in American on all your normal podcast sites. So get watching and feel you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And that was fine because I could see that the numbers on the YouTube version were were going through the roof. And that was completely unencumbered by any kind of artificial schedule. You know, before I was trotting into a television studio at 8pm every night here in London, and there were advertising breaks and there'd be an hour, so maybe you get 47 minutes of airtime all broken up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And you're like, why are we doing it like this? Why don't we just forget about the linear thing? Most of our audience actually don't want it. They're all gravitating to a YouTube version of of what we're doing here, which doesn't have any ad breaks in real time. We can go as long as we want. And people can watch it whenever they feel like.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Theater.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And that has been, I think, the absolute eye-opener, not just for me, but for a lot of people in the industry. So with the recent election in America, the more people watched the election night on YouTube and watched it on cable and broadcast. And the latest numbers I saw as well a few days ago said that I think it's about 11.5%, 12% now of American television watchers
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
watch television on their smart TV through the YouTube app. That's an amazing statistic. And that means at this rate, I think the cable number is about 18%. The network number is about 23, 24. That means that very soon, probably in two years maximum, YouTube will be the number one way that most people watch television. They'll be watching it through the YouTube app on their smart TV.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
It's a revolution that's happening actually very quickly. It reminds me of music, you know, when it went from vinyl to digital. Everyone thought it would take years. Actually, when it happened, the revolution came very quickly. And you're seeing the same with newspapers. I used to be a newspaper editor for many years in the U.K., Print versions of newspapers are basically dying out very quickly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
The digital versions will survive for those who work out a good digital strategy. But this is all because young people, they live in a digital world, as you know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Well, the interesting thing, I think, is it's a generational thing. I mean, the average age now of cable news watchers in America is 70, which means a lot of their regular viewers are 80 or 90, if you think about it. That's the average age. It's a similar dynamic, I think, with people who buy print newspapers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And so, you know, the print newspapers in America that have done quite well, mainly thanks to Donald Trump, actually. But if you look at, say, the New York Times business model, the reason they've managed to survive and thrive when others have really struggled is because of their digital strategy, which, again, was fueled almost exclusively by that first
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
four years of Donald Trump's term in office. So I think that everyone's working out what their future game is going to be. But if you're not in the digital space now in the media, then you are frankly a bit of a dinosaur and you've got to wake up. You asked me at the start whether... I'm still working with Rupert Murdoch. He absolutely gets this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And in fact, news are retaining a slice of the advertising revenue for the next four years on my YouTube channel. And I'll continue to appear when I come to the States on Fox and all the shows there, The Five and so on, which I love doing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
But they understood that, you know, I believe, rather like you do, I think, you know, when you've built up a YouTube channel that has, you know, both of us have over 3 million subscribers now, this puts us in the top. five or six people in the world right now who are in the news opinion debate space and were on YouTube.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And I'm sure that you would have similar numbers to these, but I've done some interviews. I did a guy called Bassem Youssef, who's the Egyptian version of Jon Stewart. He was the biggest star on Arabic TV. And he came on my show just after the Israel-Hamas war started. 23 million people watched that interview on my YouTube channel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
I then did him again in Los Angeles, a much longer, more thoughtful interview, and another 12 million watched it there. Similarly, I did an interview with the real-life stalker from the Baby Reindeer saga.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Incredible story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Yeah, and the only interview she's ever given Fiona Harvey, and she made some extremely damning claims about Netflix and about the reality and said, look, in the series, which has now been decorated with a string of awards you might have noticed in the last few weeks, In the actual reality, she never went even to court, let alone be convicted of any crime of stalking.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
So it'd be really interesting whether it carries on winning awards. But ultimately, Netflix have to give this lady a massive check for a pretty serious defamation. So that one got another 16 million viewers on our YouTube channel. But interestingly... As you know, it's not just about the YouTube channel. It's about X. It's about Facebook. It's about TikTok.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
We have one clip on TikTok from that interview, which has now been watched 36 million times. It was a clip of me asking her, were you in love with it, with Richard Gadd, who's played himself in the series and is the supposed victim of her stalking, even though she never got committed of a crime. So...
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
I think the point I'm making is you would never get those kind of numbers for interviews on conventional television. Those days are long gone. You used to in the great old days when television was the only medium and there was no internet, you would get stratospherically big numbers. Michael Jackson interview, I remember getting 40, 50 million. Those days are gone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
You will not get that on anything on conventional television. But on YouTube now, you can see these seriously big numbers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
It's fun, isn't it? That's the thing I'm saying. It's just fun, right? You and I, I think we wake up, and we're not now beholden to any bosses. We can pretty much do whatever we like. There's a wonderful freedom about it. It is fun, and you can basically talk about whatever you want to talk about. And if people like you as a personality, or even if they like to dislike you...
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
but they find you compelling, whether it's me, you, or Tucker, or whoever it may be who's out there doing this, they at least have total freedom themselves to watch us when they feel like it, in the way they feel like it. They can watch us on their phone, on their laptop, whatever they want.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
It's a whole new world, and it's being driven by young people who I think have an even greater desire and thirst for information and news, but they're not going to get it off conventional media.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Yeah, I think it's a very interesting point. I mean, what is, I think, probably a bigger picture interest to me is this follows the big payout by Joel Stephanopoulos and ABC to Donald Trump, which was $15 million or whatever it was. You're beginning to see quite big payouts for people who've said things on air, on cable news, and now being held to proper account for it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
Many people think that's long overdue. So I think that people are probably having a very nervous time now in cable news. The days of just saying whatever you feel like with no accountability for it, they're long gone. And I think that you're now seeing people on the receiving end going on the attack legally and exercising their rights to say, no, this is wrong. You've defamed me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
And by the way, if you do that, you're going to pay a lot of money. And they're all running scared. They're all settling. You know, the CNN went to court to defend itself, but the moment it got to punitive damages, They bailed because they knew it might be really high that figure ABC bailed in a way that I think horrified a lot of their staff.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
But actually, quite rightly, because George F. Bonhoeffer was repeatedly in that interview, repeatedly defamed Donald Trump and repeatedly said that he'd been convicted of a crime he hadn't been convicted of. And if you're going to do that, I'm sorry, it doesn't matter who you are. You know, if you and I did that on our platform, we would also be susceptible to people suing us for defamation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
There shouldn't be some sort of loftier than that rule that just because you work for one of the legacy media, you work to different rules. So I think the world is changing very quickly here and people are being held. It would be really interesting in the Russia collusion mayhem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Trump Derangement Syndrome Examples, and How CNN Smeared a Navy Veteran, with Piers Morgan, Zachary Young, and Vel Freedman | Ep. 991
of the first two years of Trump's term of office, if he decided to go after all those networks and all those journalists who perpetuated what turned out to be a complete myth for two years, A, he would have ended up extremely rich, and B, it might have nipped it in the butt. Because at the time, a lot of us were saying, you were saying, I was saying, that this is ridiculous.
The Tim Dillon Show
442 - Tim Dillon & His A.I. Friends
I stand with King Charles against his treacherous rat of a son, Harry. Correct.
The Tim Dillon Show
442 - Tim Dillon & His A.I. Friends
Say it. I stand with King Charles against his treacherous rat of a son, Harry. Who's with me?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's no doubt that on the Russian side, they believe they were provoked into doing this. I know that you have sympathy with that view. There's also no doubt from the Ukrainian side that they believe since the 90s they've been this sovereign democratic country, albeit not perfect. You think deeply flawed. I think they've been imperfect, trying to improve.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
OK, do you accept that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. So after they'd been invaded.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, it is. There are Russians living there. It wasn't Russia's. And in the same way that you say the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly in favor, of course they did. They would have been killed if they hadn't. Same way as in Russia. In a secret ballot?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it was a secret ballot. I'm saying it's exactly the same way that people in Russia vote for Putin. You think it's an overwhelming show of support for him. A lot of it is driven by fear.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, we're both here for the same reason, actually.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And Zelensky has actually, I think, been a force for good, not bad. But ultimately, what's happened now... is that you have a situation where, as Donald Trump told me recently, it's just the mowing fields now, where you have thousands of young men being killed, often on a daily basis, both sides. And no one's winning this war, it seems to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't claim it's Mother Teresa against Hitler. No, but you have, though. You're like, he's a marvelous person. I like him. I'm allowed to, aren't I?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's not as rich as Vladimir Putin. Well, I mean, if all comparisons are to Putin, then all bets are off. Putin is financially raped and pillaged his country. Maybe.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Maybe.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, let's see. He's got a personal net worth of 100 billion rubles, whatever it is. I don't know how we would know that, but great, he does.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Does that bother you at all? Well, he'd been leader of his country for two years. He's done a lot of oppression in two years. He didn't get rich on corruption in two years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't call him a very handsome man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think he's a very handsome man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think I called him hot.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you asking me to ask all the questions of Zelensky, you didn't ask Putin.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm not friends with Putin. I'm just a guy who shut up. I'm not personal friends with Zelensky.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I admire him.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can't miscategorize me. I'm not a friend of his. I've only met him once. But I do admire his fortitude as a leader. I love the fact he stayed in Kiev when the Russians went in. He could have fled. Many would have done that position. Everyone thought the Russians would win in a few days. Yeah, I agree. I do admire the fortitude that he showed as a leader. Those characteristics I like.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you called him a magnificent leader.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do you not? I mean, you believe his reasoning. I believe something. You believe the reasoning for the war.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And if anyone is going to win it, it's likely to be Russia, not Ukraine. And then what happens? And that concerns me enormously. If the West allows Putin...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think any informed person... I mean, Bill Burns... Only 10% of people in eastern Ukraine actually want Russia to take them over. Okay, I don't know how we know that, but I believe that, but it doesn't... It's a poll, same poll you, you know, you're quoting me about Crimea. So that wasn't a poll, it was an election. Which are critical to democracy, I don't know if you knew that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because no one had invaded America. Okay, well, but how about the- So the people could actually vote?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
to just take the land he's taken what guarantee do we have he won't try and take the rest of Ukraine he took Crimea he's back for more I think he wants the whole of Ukraine I think he won't stop there if he's allowed to get it I think he's a pretty ruthless evil Russian dictator um how are we defining just to find the term so we can follow the same yeah what's a dictator
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So to be clear, when... What the hell is this? Okay, well, so when Putin invaded Ukraine, you'd have given him what he wants? Take whatever you want?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's preposterous.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So how's this peacekeeping? Or you could argue, as many people do, that actually the reason is because Ukraine wasn't in NATO. Had it been, Putin wouldn't have invaded.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And you don't realize that you're starting the cycle again. Would Putin have invaded Ukraine if he'd have been a member of NATO? No, he wouldn't have done it. Because then America would have been obliged to respond.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're just not going to accept that. NATO is a defensive organization. How is it defensive? Because it has never acted proactively aggressively. Really?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
NATO has always operated in a defensive capacity.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes. That's how they created Kosovo?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you know... My brother-in-law was literally there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's not insane. NATO has never actually acted unilaterally and aggressively. It's never attacked anybody without being attacked. It's always been defensive. Okay. Who in Yugoslavia attacked NATO?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm sorry. Well, you think nice, good guys in Yugoslavia... I'm not saying they're nice, good guys.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, they may have been naughty. I'm not defending their behavior. But that's what they were being defended against. Who are we defending? The Yugoslavians that were being pillaged and raped and murdered. By other Yugoslavians? Yes. Okay. This is getting intense. NATO is a defensive organization.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Just to be clear, you would have let Putin take what he wants. Because what's the alternative? When he invaded Ukraine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
A dictator to me is somebody, well, I would start by saying you have no respect for democratic norms, a free and fair election.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So when he invaded there, what would you let him do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. But once actually he's invaded, what do you do? Then
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So that's interesting to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you wouldn't argue that Putin, for example, has free and fair elections.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So what do you do? What do you do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So do you let Putin take Ukraine? You don't let anybody do anything. You either do or you don't.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let me assure you, if Russia invaded Britain, that would not be the view of the British people. Our view would be to fight to the last man and woman to kick him out. But my question really is... Do you really think so?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What can I actually achieve? But respectfully, you're not answering my question, which you don't have to because you're interviewing me in this bit. But the question is, once Putin invaded, do you let him take the whole country? What do you do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I'm talking about February, end of February, early March.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah, so assume it's happened.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right, and he's now wrestling with this very problem. He certainly is. He doesn't want to give Putin the win, and that's my point to you. Do you actually want him to win?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Is it good for America that Putin wins?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you guys went along like little Pekingese. You shouldn't have done that. But why are you not answering my question? What would I do if I were Trump right now? No, no. Once he invaded Putin, what do you let him take?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And he says, actually, I want Ukraine.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't want to be pedantic.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But if you roll over and you let Putin take what he wants.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let me just respond. Roll over? Let me just respond. If you roll over and you let him take what he wants in Ukraine, why should China not go and take what they want in Taiwan, for example? They would just take. Well, they are going to take what they want in Taiwan. I'm not sure they will, especially with Trump as president. It's part of China. I don't think they will.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, why do we get to dictate what China does with Taiwan?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why do you support Israel against Hamas, for example? Why do you support America giving them billions of dollars? Well, I don't. You don't support Israel being supported by America?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But do you agree with America supplying them with a lot of arms?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think what we need is... So you do believe in America interfering in countries a long way away. It just depends which country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, they both- I don't know what that means to be an ally. I mean, we have no- It means that when Israel wants to attack in Gaza and attack Hamas, America will help it because it's its ally.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So it gives it billions of dollars worth of- It's not what it means to be an ally, okay? Well, fundamentally it does.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But why would you support America getting involved in Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So do you support America supporting Israel to the tune of billions of dollars?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you can make... But what's in America's interest?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But do you support what's happening then in the support in the attacks in Gaza, for example? Because I don't see the difference between that and what's happening in Ukraine. This is a long way away from America. There's no direct involvement with America. There's no mainland involvement with America. And yet you think it's right that America supports Israel. Well, put words in your mouth.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you don't think it's right. I don't think those are the words that came out of my mouth. You don't think it's right America supports Ukraine when Russia invades it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, your comparison with Zelensky and Putin over the last two years, I found baffling. Because you seem to think there's some moral equivalence between the two. And Zelensky hasn't illegally invaded another country. Right. Do you not have a problem with what Putin's done?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That is true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Explain what is America's national interest in Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Actually, I haven't expected a view about that at all. I'm just curious about the difference in your... You're not an Israel hater, are you?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not at all. Why are you attacking Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It feels like you do. Isn't Netanyahu a dictator? Actually, I don't like Netanyahu. I think you should.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you should go. Let me just ask you one more time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Now we're getting into, I'm not comfortable with this. Here's my question.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You just said you don't like Netanyahu. I'm trying to work out whose brand suffers more when we platform each other. But let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. I'm going to need a second. One more time. Just quietly for the people at the back. You don't like America getting involved in helping Ukraine against Russia because there's no national interest for America in doing that in your eyes.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, there's a negative national interest, a profound one.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's no greater national interest. Your position is America first. There's no interest for America. Shouldn't be doing it. It's a problem between Ukraine and Russia. Okay, that's fine. A lot of people have that view. I respect it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What I can't understand is the difference in your logic and principle about supporting Israel in its war with Hamas, which is many thousands of miles away from America.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you support America supporting Israel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're blowing my mind, Piers Morgan. My English linguistics.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It is our language. You lot fucked it up, but we actually, it's our language. As a PG Woodhouse fan, I totally agree. It's a route, not a route. It's Iran, not Iran. And it's a hurricane, not a hurricane. Hurricane is embarrassing.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it's a typhoon when it happens. Famously, the BBC weatherman at the time announced on the BBC main news on the night, there were people ringing in saying, is there going to be a hurricane in the UK? And no one knew what it meant. And let me tell you, there is not. Four hours later, every tree in south of England fell down. Are you serious? Yes. Well, we called it a hurricane is my point.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I would prefer the people of Russia to vote him out. But I also feel the same way about Netanyahu and the people in Israel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not necessarily, no.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because I don't believe him in the way that you seem to. I don't believe anybody. He has this very well-intentioned, perfectly reasonable, understandable reason why he had to illegally invade a democratic country and take a third of its people, take a third of its land and people. And you think that's fine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Was that legal? You're talking to the editor of the paper that opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq. You supported that. What?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Who makes international law? Well, the international community. Oh, the international community. What do they mean? Do you not believe in international law? I don't even know what that means. Who is the international community? Is Iran in the international community? So you think any invasion of a sovereign country can be legal? I don't even know what you mean by legal.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes, there are international courts.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Who's punished? Do you believe in the Geneva Convention or not?
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You're in violation. If that turns out to be true, I would be violently opposed to that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Was it wrong for America to use atomic bombs in World War II? Absolutely. Really? To use nuclear weapons? Yes. To win the war? Of course. To save many hundreds of thousands of more people dying? That's what happened. Yeah.
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Whether you agree or don't agree with the use of nuclear weapons, nobody disputes the fact that it brought an end to a war which, had it been allowed to carry on for another six months to a year, would have killed many more people.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I would argue that if you look at the history of Ukraine since the 90s, since it became a, for want of a better phrase, democratic country, as they would say, well, I mean, by the same criteria you support Putin being popular in his country, I think just under 90% of Ukrainians voted for it. You wouldn't dispute that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Look, if you're intentionally killing civilians... Isn't it a question of just of scale? I mean... To some extent it is, yeah. If you believe in a big bomb and it kills 500 people, but you don't agree with one that kills 1,000, what's the difference ideologically? It depends who they are.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So after Pearl Harbor, you think it was wrong with the Japanese refusing to surrender, vowing to kill as many people as they possibly could, that America decided to use its two most powerful weapons to bring an end to the war.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I would say it's more morally justified what America did than what the British did, for example, in carpet bombing Dresden. I think there was more justification because they were trying to bring an end to the war as quickly as they could to avoid potentially millions more people dying.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't say... Well, because I think there's a moral right behind you if you are literally... To kill women and children? If there's a world war that threatens the entire... It threatens the entire world? Yes. Some people killed your kids like your eight-year-old? How is that morally justifiable? Because actually you have to... Well, by your criteria... That's disgusting.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, so no war is morally justified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You think no military action is morally justifiable, then? I didn't say that. Aren't you implying that?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's the deaths of any innocent people.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you kill any innocent people, civilians, in a war, you think it's all morally lacking in justification. Because I would argue against that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Is there any form of warfare that's morally justified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't agree with you. I don't agree with you.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You said, right in the camera, it's okay to kill eight-year-olds because it's war. Well, it's not okay to kill eight-year-olds. I didn't say anything is okay. What I said is morally justified. Because when you have an enemy that is prepared to put six million Jews into gas chambers and murder six million more people, they are prepared to do anything. And you have to stop them.
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And then any response you give to me is morally justified. Any response? Well, pretty much. If you're taking the war to them to try and end the war and trying to defeat a nihilistic group like the Nazis, yes, it's morally— A nihilistic group? Says the guy who's defending the murder of eight-year-olds.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
A Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, that is a form of invasion, isn't it? It was not an invasion.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Was it morally defensible to attack them back? Stop. Okay.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You didn't qualify. You didn't qualify.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why would you be in favor of child molestation? Nobody's talked about molesting children. You just said it was morally justified for America.
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Listen, don't mock masturbation. It's making love to someone you love.
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Now, you go into any kind of... That wasn't what I was doing. I was saying there's moral... Well, it was very much what you were doing. No, no. You said it was morally justified to kill children. I said morally just... It's not. No, no. Morally justified to drop bombs which end a war.
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Because when the enemy is not making that calculation, you have to stop them. Stop them from what? Not being invaded? Stop them from killing your civilians, killing your people.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
To save, potentially, millions of lives being killed, yes. Of our invaders? Of their country? Of both sides. To bring an end to the war. How about just not invade them? They wouldn't surrender. You've got to bring the war to an end. But they had lost. But why do you have to invade them?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So you would condemn what Israel's done in Gaza, for example? I don't want to be involved in it. Nearly 20,000 children are said to have died. I don't think that that is a... By your criteria, is it morally justified?
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No, I didn't. I said, I don't think he should be leader anymore. You hate him.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I certainly think that Ukraine has had a lot of corruption.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So Israel's dropping American bombs on Gaza, killing lots of children.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Hang on. Don't tell me what I think. You think the killing of civilians is morally indefensible? Let me tell you what I think. So American bombs are being used to kill a lot of children and women in Gaza. I hate that. Is it morally indefensible? Now you don't want to say?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah, I mean, look, for what it's worth, my position is Israel had a fundamental duty, not just a right, but a duty to defend its people after October the 7th, given the horrendous scale of that attack. And my only question I kept asking repeatedly from about the first couple of weeks onwards was, what is a proportionate response? What is morally justified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I would categorize my support for him as supporting him against an illegal invasion by Russia.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I like Israel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I like Israeli people. I do too.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
The Pope calls a church in... He's absurd. I can't. Yeah, but he actually calls a Catholic church in Gaza every night to see how they're doing. Every night, apparently, he calls.
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I mean, fundamentally... That makes me emotional. Yeah, look, fundamentally, we're not a million miles apart, and neither of us like war. Nobody who likes war should ever be... But one of us likes dictators. No.
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You do.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You said it in your eyes. Great.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You know what? You should have been on Twitter. You just said everyone thought you did.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You didn't need to.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, because I don't see Zelensky as a dictator in the way that you do.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Two years, I think, he'd been in charge. Putin, what was he into? Nearly 30 years now?
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Oh, I thought you were talking to me. I thought that was your out for me.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think the courage, the moral courage he showed on the night that the Russians invaded, when people thought they would sweep through Kiev and almost certainly kill him, the fact he immediately went on social media and people around him said, I'm not leaving. I'm staying here for you.
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I'm not saying they're morally pure in Ukraine. I'm not saying they're not riddled with corruption.
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That's moral courage of the kind we saw with Trump when he stood there and got back up and went fight, fight, fight.
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Well, you're making a lot of allegations against him. Those are facts.
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No, no, here's my point to you. My defense of them... Bloodthirsty dictator. Bloodthirsty dictator. My defense of them is based on the illegal invasion by Russia. You and I can argue about whether Russia was goaded and provoked into doing that. I do not think anything justifies what they actually did.
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Well, I mean, in the same sense that we would say... You wouldn't dispute that Vladimir Putin does that relentlessly, that he imprisons and tortures and kills.
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You hate this.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't hate it. I know. Because I keep asking you the same question. And for some reason, you don't want to answer it. I've answered all questions.
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I think I had the best of it, really. I certainly think in newspaper terms, it was before the internet had really taken hold. And so you were the receptacle for news for people. You know, there weren't many television networks. You didn't really have cable television when I was running the papers. So papers had much more influence and much more power because they were bringing the news to people.
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Yeah. People woke up in the morning and they would read their paper to find out what had happened. That doesn't happen anymore. People already know what's happened. There are millions of news networks all over cable news. There's millions of internet sites you can get the news. Everyone knows what's going on. So the point and relevance and power and influence of newspapers has dissipated.
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They can still break big stories and have big influence. And if I was running one again... I'd be completely digital by now. I'd just abandon print papers altogether. But the economic model is very difficult. If you do that, you don't make as much from the digital side as you do from print. So they've got to weigh that up and somehow get through it.
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But I would invest heavily in investigative, longer term journalism, because that's how you can now bring news to people they don't already know.
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I would say the difference is we can't get canceled, right? Who's going to cancel us? It's ourselves. So we have a complete freedom and a sort of liberation from the restrictions that inevitably come with working for big companies. Big companies in the media... have really struggled, I think, to move with the way young people now get their information.
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They don't really understand the big legacy media companies that young people do not watch linear television. They don't read print newspapers. What they've really struggled with is to stop lying. They can't stop lying.
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And they have controlled the way news is disseminated. The thing about you and me and other people that do this, whether you're on the left or the right, there's no control, right? We don't get controlled by anybody. We're only answerable to ourselves and what we want to do.
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I think I'm like you in the sense of we're not politically aligned in many ways, but we love talking to each other, love debating, love arguing, love asking questions, love learning, right?
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Let me tell you. Well, I don't. But let me tell you.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's a lot of military in my family who know how to use guns better than me. I know, but...
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You know the thing about guns? I'll just say this for your audience that will all be looking at me thinking I'm the 2A gun grabber. The reality is it's a complete cultural difference. In my country, everybody used to have a gun. Everybody used to in the old days. Now, very few people have guns. There are incredibly tight restrictions. And the consequence of that is we have almost zero gun crime.
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Is your country, is London safe now? No, no. I'm about to come to that. The problem we have is with knives, right? So I'm not saying for a moment you get rid of all the guns, nobody gets killed. Of course they do. We have a knife crime problem epidemic in our country. No, you have a people problem. You have the kind of people who stab each other, and you didn't used to have that. Well, we did.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We did.
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No, no, because actually there are lots of white English people who stab each other. Oh, I know. Right. Oh, I know. So it's not just about the influx of migrants, if that's what you're saying.
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I don't know about that. I just know we have very tight gun laws and no gun violence. The interest is, well, very little. My question for you... But do you own a gun secretly? I do not, no. Do you want to? You know why? I'd get five years in prison if I got caught with it.
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Let me ask you a question about guns since you raised it. I'm curious. It's said there are over 400 million guns in circulation in America. I hope so. And it's apparently a million new guns get sold every month. So that number exponentially rises. The number of mass shootings in America is also rising. Mm hmm. Do you think anything should be done about that?
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If I had my time again talking about this with Americans, I would never have been so censorious. I would never have been talking about gun control. I think the word control alienates Americans. But what I would have said was, how do you make it safer? How do you stop so many people getting shot? What do you do about it?
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You're doing the British Cheshire cat thing with me. No, because I think it's a fatuous argument, but it's fine. You're avoiding asking my question. Which is why do we have so many guns?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, no, didn't ask that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We all used to have guns too.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We won because I'm not conducting this interview in German, which I wouldn't be. So it's a linguistic thing. I'd rather not speak German and be goose-stepping around my yard in England. Goose-stepping? Yeah. But you are goose-stepping. People are arrested for praying. We literally won our freedom. Where's your freedom? You can get arrested.
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You could say that what you couldn't say, because a lot of these stories, I have to say, in America have been spun completely disingenuously. There's one case, for example, I see everyone trying to send me as an example of Britain's gone mad. Elon Musk has done it as a guy who got seven years in prison. Actually, what he was doing, this guy was he was orchestrating and directing.
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rioting on hotels containing asylum seekers because he had a incorrect belief that someone who had stabbed three young girls to death and stabbed loads of others in a horrific attack was an illegal asylum seeker.
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Fine. It's not okay to have no asylum seekers. It is not okay to allow too many people to come in. Why is it not okay to have no asylum seekers? It's not okay to have a broken asylum system as we have. Why have any asylum seekers? Because I believe you should as a good country. Because we're a caring, compassionate country. And by the way, Britain, for all your knocking of Britain.
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How is that compassionate to your people? Britain actually is one of the most tolerant multicultural countries in the world. To this day. Then why do you have so many stabbings? We have a problem with stabbings. But you know what? How many people get killed by stabbings a year in Britain compared to... It's evidence, David, that you have a problem.
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But by your criteria, they're just defending themselves. Haven't they got a right to bear arms? Okay. Well, hang on.
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Do the British people have a right to bear arms, Tucker? No.
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They can carry knives. So why are you annoyed about the knife crime? I'm against all crime. Look, here's my only point. I'm sure if they use the Tucker Carlson argument, well, the other guy's got a knife, I better carry one.
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It depends what you think that opinion is. Most of them have been directing violence or inciting violence. That's different. I don't think that's right, Piers.
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That is right. And also, look at the case of Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson, most Americans I speak to think he's in jail as some kind of political prisoner like Nelson Mandela for having views about... Or Julian Assange. Yeah, but that's not why Tommy Robinson's in jail, because he defamed a young Syrian refugee.
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Yeah, he lied about him. Okay. Well, he did.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You also have a defamation law in the United States. People have gone to jail for breaking that law. That's happened. So you're not so pure yourself. Do you have criminal... Yes, you do. Criminal defamation, you do.
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Go and check it. Okay. There's a lawyer sitting right there, but he's occupied. And you've had people go to prison in America for defamation, for libeling people, for saying things that you don't like. It's happened.
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That's a civil offense. I had all this debate on Twitter recently.
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Where? Go and check it.
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Thank you. Has anyone gone to jail for that? Thank you. I've never heard of that. Sorry, the British guy is now telling Americans about their own law.
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It depends if they're inciting violence. That's the criteria. What does that even mean? I do think, by the way, for what it's worth, that some people have been put in jail for saying stuff on Facebook that they shouldn't have been in jail. I agree with that.
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No, no, or hatred. Right, but the violence you'd agree with. Inciting violence? I don't know what that means. It means you literally direct people to go and attack an asylum seeker hotel.
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I don't agree with you about him or Ukraine. I went to interview him in Kyiv. And he's an extraordinary story, obviously, this comedian who becomes president, having played a comedian who was a president in a comedy show, right? And I've seen what you said about it.
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Yes.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you want my honest opinion, some of the ones who've gone to prison should not be in prison. How about inciting hatred? Well, it depends what you're trying to do.
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Well, how could we ever support that? Because ultimately... We're paying for that. Because ultimately, we have to make a calculation about whether we're happy with Russia invading what is a sovereign European democratic country.
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I'm literally telling you I'm not defending that. I'm saying there are people who've been put in prison. Why don't you overthrow your government? It's a tyrannical government. I will always support people's right to have hateful views. That's fine. I don't agree with the government. But it's a crime. I don't agree with that. Right? But it depends what they're saying.
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What are you doing to overthrow the tyranny that enslaves you? If the incitement of hatred makes people go and commit acts of violence and you intend it to, that should be a crime. You shouldn't incite people to go and commit acts of violence.
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But you asked me earlier, if you said you hate immigrants, you wouldn't go to prison for that. If you said that they're all over there in that hotel, go and throw firebombs at it, that should be a crime, shouldn't it? Yeah, if you're telling people to go commit... That's what most of these cases involve.
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Mm-hmm. I don't think anyone should be able to use on social media, they shouldn't be using rhetoric, which is inciting violence, period. Hate, I think this idea of what is hate is a much more complex thing. I don't feel comfortable, somebody who believes in free speech, in people saying hateful things and being put in prison. It's wrong.
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But if I say to people here, can you come and stab Tucker?
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I may be wrong, but I'm rarely wrong in linguistic matters. I think you'll find the definition of inciting and directing is not dissimilar.
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I think in relation to hate crime, yes. They've overreached on that. In relation to using social media.
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By the way, you wouldn't have a country without a flood of immigrants. America wouldn't exist. But you're not America.
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It's been there since the beginning of time. Why would you object to the concept of a flood of immigrants? You literally got built on it.
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I think our monarchy, well, I think the king's a fine man.
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Preserve England? Yeah. What do you mean?
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We have a far less Christian country.
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He's certainly gone from winning with a big majority last summer to being incredibly unpopular very quickly.
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You've got four more years of this-ish, is that right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I would say that there's a reasonable chance he will contest the next election in four years' time. It depends, really, how the next year goes. I mean, I've never seen anyone lose such political... capital so quickly.
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And he did it because he came in and decided that the strategy he would do is to say the Tories were so awful that the country's now in a terrible state, so bad that we're going to have to do all these punitive taxes and we're going to have to whack the pensioners and we're going to have to whack the farmers and punish all these groups of people.
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And everyone was like, wow, you've waited 14 years in opposition. And this is what you're doing?
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They make our food. I mean, it's ridiculous. Most of them live literally... Because British food's not good? Is that the problem? Most of them lose money, farmers. And the idea... He created the impression that a lot of pensioners can afford it, a lot of farmers can afford it. Actually, most of them can't. Most of them can't. But why would you target... I mean, it's just... Inexplicable.
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I just think it's a pretty dumb political agenda that's been pursued so far. It's not just dumb, it's like weird.
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Because we don't know. I mean, either he's allowed to take it or he isn't. Either we now say, yes, you take it. Why is it up to us? I don't understand. Well, who else can stop it?
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How would you ever come up with that? At a time when we need more people, not less. Yeah. What do you think that is? Bad governing. But why is it the same in every country? Well, I just think the food thing in particular. Look how fat everyone's getting. Right. I mean, fat, lazy, sedentary. And you're like, that can't be good for anyone. No, but why is it happening?
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That is the consequence of all the political actions that have been taken. I agree. I don't think it's a mad global conspiracy in the way you might be inferring. I don't know what I'm inferring. I'm just noticing. Listen, I know where you're coming from on this. I don't believe they're actually smart enough to do that. Then why are they all doing it?
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I think because they're not very competent and they're not very good and they're lazy.
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Not one of them. Here's what I agree with you about. It's wrong. And it's got to change. We need more people, not less. We need better food, not crap food. We need to reduce the size of our human beings whilst increasing populations. Otherwise, the planet's going to kill itself, going to basically self-implode and die out, as Elon Musk is warning. He's right.
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I'm going to end on this.
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I think it will end. I do think Donald Trump will get a deal. I do think in the end that Russia will probably keep most of the land they've taken. I personally wish that wasn't the case, but I think that's how this gets ended. And I hope that Ukraine get enough guarantees that the rest of their country won't get taken down the line. We saw Crimea go. We've seen the East go, pretty much.
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And I suspect Vladimir Putin, I believe, will try and take the rest of it. I may be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it gets... a deal gets done soon because too many people are dying. I heard the other day that 100,000 people on that battlefield died in six weeks on both sides collectively. I mean, this is horrendous. This has been the stuff you saw at the Somme.
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Well, when Saddam invaded Kuwait, why did America go and support that? Because there's oil here. Did you support that?
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You think the Ukrainians have not been telling the truth about it?
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They should tell the truth. They should be transparent. If that's the case, it's wrong.
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You know what? Maybe think, go back to Britain and make us...
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jolts us into action you know what i like about the trump thing in the last week just the sense of hope optimism yes i agree even the bit before the election when he went down to watch one of elon musk's rockets launch and just the fact that america's back in the business of going into space aiming to go to the moon aiming to go to mars yes where's that in my country where is that kind of dynamism where is someone hitting the ground with 200 things they want to do bang
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You may not agree with all of them, but my God, the energy that Trump is expending, the dynamism, the aspiration, the thing of making America great again. I got a feeling this time around Trump's going to have a very good four years.
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I'm not so convinced about my country, and I want to get that kind of oomph and energy and dynamism in Britain because I don't disagree with a lot of the characterization you've had. If we are a country in the doldrums right now, we are.
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Do you think looking back at it, was it right to do what America did with the Allies? British were there too? I don't know. Expel him from Kuwait? It wasn't a NATO country.
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We take energy from Ukraine, though. This is an energy component to that.
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No, but you've already said that you would support the expulsion of Saddam from Kuwait. I don't know that I would. Led by America. Well, you just said you did.
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Right. So what's the difference between that and what's happened with Russia and Ukraine? Well, because we need Ukraine's energy. We need Ukraine's wheat. We do. 25% of the world's wheat comes out of Ukraine.
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I mean, what's interesting to me on a bigger picture about Ukraine, Russia, your views, a lot of conservative views in America, is that 30 years ago, there would have been no element of resistance from the conservative side about taking on a Russian dictator who'd invaded a European country. I know it's a lot more complicated.
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When you say over, what do you mean? What would have happened?
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But my point is, if the defense of expelling Saddam Hussein from Kuwait was that we have energy interests in that country, and therefore we should kick him out. But that's obviously what we all knew. And it was done very quickly and competently by General Norman Schwarzkopf. And it was great, great military operation. But surely the principle and ideology is not different.
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And what's interesting is every Republican... They're idiots.
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No, I mean, every Republican in 91 would have supported that conflict.
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It's my support of it, I can promise you. Every Republican voter, I think, would have supported it.
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So what's changed is a lot of Republican supporters now, conservatives in America, are against supporting Ukraine anymore. And I'm curious about that change in what has been, what, 35 years. There's been a real sea change. And it may be because Americans are understandably war-weary. They're fed up with spending a lot of money on foreign wars, foreign conflicts.
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There's a good argument America hasn't really won a foreign war since World War II. You know, you look at from Vietnam onwards, endless quagmires, endless problems, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so on and so on. And I look at what's happened in Ukraine, and I'm just looking at it pragmatically. Do we just let a Russian...
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Do we let Russia, led at the moment by Vladimir Putin, who I would categorize as a dictator, do we let him just take what he wants? Even if he uses it and dresses it all up as, I'm doing this because I fear about NATO encroachment, which may well be his reasoning. May well be his reasoning. But many people think it's not his reasoning. Many people think.
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Here's the other part of the argument. He has nuclear weapons. Why would we want that? We have nuclear weapons too. A lot of the argument... Do you guys have nuclear weapons? We do. Yes, we have nuclear weapons.
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I know the history, but a lot of very smart people on, a lot of people you've interviewed. And, you know, I do learn a lot each time I talk about all the history, obviously. My brother was a British army colonel. My sister married a British army colonel. They've all engaged in conflicts around the world. And so it's complicated.
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Do you think that's a good idea? Yes, absolutely. You know why? You're freaking me out. If Ukraine had nuclear weapons, they wouldn't have been invaded. Can we agree on that? We told them to give up their nuclear deterrent.
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And many people would say. How does that help us? Many people in that region say, actually, what's happened to Ukraine is precisely why they should have been in NATO. Because if they had been in NATO, Putin wouldn't have invaded them. Oh, God.
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And also they say, if we hadn't collectively basically bullied Ukraine into giving up their nuclear deterrent, he wouldn't have done it either because they would have had a nuclear weapon to defend themselves. This is super crazy. Is it crazy? Yes, it is. Crazier than your theories?
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So. But I think you're only giving half a picture. I'm not oblivious to that. But I would add this component to it, which is also not surely beyond the realms of fantasy. Vladimir Putin knows that a lot of that part of eastern Ukraine, they still speak Russian.
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He has resented the breakup of the Soviet Union, famously, and that actually he wanted to take back land that he believes should belong to Russia.