Piers Morgan

a significant change in the fabric of the country, in the makeup of the country, in the types of people who've come here, the volume of people who've come here.

That's obviously had an effect on what this country is.

Now, the debate to be had is whether this has been in totality a force for good or bad.

And I took your...

your strident views about it when we met in Saudi.

And I pushed back quite hard because I live here half of the year at least, most of that time in London.

It's always been a very multicultural city.

There's no doubt about that.

And I don't walk the streets as Tommy Robinson would like to.

In my lifetime.

I was born in the mid-60s.

But in a way, Tommy Robinson, who has a big following in America, the way he talks about it is not something I recognize.

Having said that, as I've always said about him, there are issues that he's raised which are perfectly legitimate.

The biggest one is population.

In the 50s, we had a population of just under 50 million people.

And a lot of the infrastructure, like the National Health Service, the NHS, once lauded as the greatest health system in the world, now has to do with a population of nearly 70 million.

That is a dramatic increase in the volume of people in this country.

And the simple truth right now is our public services are creaking at the seams

And in some cases, like the NHS, pretty well at breaking point.

And that is why there is so much agitation about the simultaneous ongoing issues with immigration.