Piers Morgan

What was it like to see three of your friends go under?

It was probably the worst thing I could ever imagine for anyone else.

It's really indescribable, and words don't do justice, but particularly how those guys went.

To sit there absolutely helpless and defenseless and not being able to help them or get help or whatever, it was definitely heart-wrenching.

And looking into their eyes once again, them not even knowing what's going on was definitely difficult.

I would say it's not as bad as many Americans think it is.

And it's not as good as many people here, when they launch impassioned defenses of our country and our culture and the way things have gone, would like to pretend it is.

It's kind of somewhere in the middle.

There's definitely been...

a significant change in the fabric of the country, in the makeup of the country, in the types of people who've come here, the volume of people who've come here.

That's obviously had an effect on what this country is.

Now, the debate to be had is whether this has been in totality a force for good or bad.

And I took your...

your strident views about it when we met in Saudi.

And I pushed back quite hard because I live here half of the year at least, most of that time in London.

It's always been a very multicultural city.

There's no doubt about that.

And I don't walk the streets as Tommy Robinson would like to.

In my lifetime.

I was born in the mid-60s.