PJ Vogt

That's when people eat people because they're forced to by extreme circumstances.

In America, we have the Donner Party, who in the 1800s took what they were told was a shortcut on the Oregon Trail, then were stuck camping through a very harsh winter.

They ate some of their dead.

In Uruguay in the 1970s, there was very famously that rugby team whose plane crashed in the mountains.

Those survivors ate some of their dead as well.

Obviously, those are vivid examples of cannibalism.

For me, what I find most interesting is that in cases like the rugby team, we'll say that they get a pass, but then we will also mark them for what they were forced to do.

It's almost like we've decided that they are in a different category now.

The only reason I'm not spending much time on survival cannibalism is I think it's sort of the exception to Otto's question.

As far as I can tell, the rule goes, if you're starving and people are dead, you can eat people.

It's just that that fact will now dominate your Wikipedia page for the rest of time.

Yes, exactly.

And like, it's sort of weird because those people have survived terrible things.

And it's like, I mean, I understand why they are infamous for the way they survived, but like...

Yeah, it's just a mark that I don't think they ever get to get around.

Yeah, and you almost, like, it was funny, I was reading, I was trying to decide whether to include the Donner Party story in this, and I read a lot about the Donner Party story, and it's like, there's a lot of story there besides that fact.

But I also understand my brain does it too.

My brain is just like daughter party eating people.

That's it.

Yeah, it's also interesting in the story because...