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PJ Vogt

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Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

But I think we quickly realized that we're not going to be able to name all these vehicles as we scale up our fleet, and so we just started to number them, like, you know, Prius 27.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

This is Don Burnett.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

He'd been a researcher working on autonomous submarines.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

He lost a friend in a car accident, separately got in a bad accident himself, and decided he wanted to do work on self-driving cars.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

That's how he eventually ended up on the team in its early days.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

I was on the motion planning and behavior decision-making team, and my responsibility was to work on the nudging behavior.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Nudging, when a big truck passes a human driver on the right, the driver will nudge a little to the left.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

For us, it's an instinct.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Don's job was to teach a computer to nudge.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

You're trying to encode the behavior that you would use as a driver under kind of partially good perception.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And it's a really tricky problem.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A team of academic roboticists, some of whom had had friends die in cars, spending Google's money to see if they could make driving safer.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

It was a weird era.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

There's this big concert venue near Google's offices called the Shoreline Amphitheater.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In 2009, you could have seen Sheryl Crow there, the killers, Phish.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

But the most interesting show that year was one almost nobody knew about.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In the venue parking lot, on days when there was no concert, no tour buses around to see them, the Google team would run its first test runs of their driverless cars, essentially hiding in plain sight.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A Prius driving itself around the amphitheater parking lot with an attentive safety driver sitting behind the wheel, just in case.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

The team was making sure the basics functioned, that the sensors could really recognize another car, that the computer in the car was abiding by their orders.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

These were the baby steps that happened in this parking lot and at an empty airplane runway that was close to their offices.