PJ Vogt

But like, generally speaking, there's this idea, rightly or wrongly, that...

you don't pay sources for interviews because the idea is that once you're paying somebody to say something, you both have power over them, which may or may not be a problem, but also they have an incentive to say what you want to hear.

One can't help but notice that there's very few generally agreed upon ethical rules for journalists in the United States.

And one of the few that we all seem to abide by is the one that involves us getting to be cheap.

So, if you told me that, you know, in the more progressive and sophisticated future, we realized that this rule didn't make a lot of sense, I'd be like, yeah, okay, sure.

Chapter six, American tourists in London.

So we weren't going there to report this story per se.

We were going there for another commitment.

Like, Shosha didn't have been invited to speak at a podcast conference, but we'd said yes because we knew that Buckingham Palace was in England.

Derek, is that, what is that little tan building to the right of the palace?

I don't think that's the swimming pool.

Oh, right.

This looks a little more mausoleum-y.

Yeah.

Okay, we're passing around sort of, would you say this is the back of Buckingham Palace?

Google Maps is giving me a route.

You'll be very bloody by the time you're there.

And we were trying to figure out, I think this was your idea, let's, from the exterior, be as close to the pool as we can.

It sounds nice, though.

There's nice birds chirping.