PJ Vogt

On this journey, Garrett didn't just ingest historic newspaper archives and royal biographies.

Honestly, by this point, he knew more about the palace than many of the experts we were talking to.

The pool question had bit him the same way as it bit our listener, Chris.

Garrett had gone from a person who didn't care about the Royals to someone who deeply wanted to see their pool.

And more than anything, he wanted to know why it was the pool would be a state secret.

So when reporter Heidi Blake had surfaced these new leads, Garrett jumped on them.

A maintenance officer turned aromatherapist?

That is right.

Life has so many chapters.

It does.

So, okay, so you're poking around.

It's so funny how producing a podcast is kind of like online dating where like,

You're cold approaching someone and you're looking at their little footprint and you're just like, are they going to like me?

Are they going to talk to me?

It's sort of the same like drawing a painting from a couple of dots type of thing.

Chapter 5, The Chatty Butler.

It's like a generally accepted norm.

There's exceptions.

There's people who either just do it, like I think tabloids will do it.

And actually, in a lot of documentary film, they won't pay someone for an interview, but they'll like pay them a lot of money for their childhood photos and then ask them to also be interviewed, which is kind of a workaround.