PJ Vogt

For years, stuck in my own unhappiness, I wondered about his happiness. Wondered if it was real. I would plot and scheme about ways to ask him about it or I might get a real answer. In 2014, I bid in a charity auction where the prize was you got to go jogging with Craig Finn. I had this idea that if I asked him when he was sort of winded, then I'd get a real answer.

For years, stuck in my own unhappiness, I wondered about his happiness. Wondered if it was real. I would plot and scheme about ways to ask him about it or I might get a real answer. In 2014, I bid in a charity auction where the prize was you got to go jogging with Craig Finn. I had this idea that if I asked him when he was sort of winded, then I'd get a real answer.

I won the auction, but I never sent the email to book the actual run. The band's manager even followed up with me, but I ducked his emails. I chickened out. Whenever I'd see Craig Finn's name after that, I'd feel this little jolt of embarrassment and regret. In the years that followed, a lot of things would happen in my life.

I won the auction, but I never sent the email to book the actual run. The band's manager even followed up with me, but I ducked his emails. I chickened out. Whenever I'd see Craig Finn's name after that, I'd feel this little jolt of embarrassment and regret. In the years that followed, a lot of things would happen in my life.

I won the auction, but I never sent the email to book the actual run. The band's manager even followed up with me, but I ducked his emails. I chickened out. Whenever I'd see Craig Finn's name after that, I'd feel this little jolt of embarrassment and regret. In the years that followed, a lot of things would happen in my life.

Over a decade later, I think I'm now actually the age I was picturing back then when I couldn't sleep, that grizzled older version of myself. But now, with a podcast, where I get to call people and ask them all sorts of questions. Questions about ambition, questions about jobs, questions about how to survive as a person. So, after the break, Craig Pham.

Over a decade later, I think I'm now actually the age I was picturing back then when I couldn't sleep, that grizzled older version of myself. But now, with a podcast, where I get to call people and ask them all sorts of questions. Questions about ambition, questions about jobs, questions about how to survive as a person. So, after the break, Craig Pham.

Over a decade later, I think I'm now actually the age I was picturing back then when I couldn't sleep, that grizzled older version of myself. But now, with a podcast, where I get to call people and ask them all sorts of questions. Questions about ambition, questions about jobs, questions about how to survive as a person. So, after the break, Craig Pham.

Welcome back to the show. A few months ago, I tried just sending Craig Finn an email telling him where I was coming from and asking if he might be up for what could be a slightly unusual conversation. He said he was game. Okay, so I think my first question for you is just, can you give me a picture of like your early life?

Welcome back to the show. A few months ago, I tried just sending Craig Finn an email telling him where I was coming from and asking if he might be up for what could be a slightly unusual conversation. He said he was game. Okay, so I think my first question for you is just, can you give me a picture of like your early life?

Welcome back to the show. A few months ago, I tried just sending Craig Finn an email telling him where I was coming from and asking if he might be up for what could be a slightly unusual conversation. He said he was game. Okay, so I think my first question for you is just, can you give me a picture of like your early life?

Like how old were you when you first decided the job you wanted was musician?

Like how old were you when you first decided the job you wanted was musician?

Like how old were you when you first decided the job you wanted was musician?

And what did your parents do?

And what did your parents do?

And what did your parents do?

And I think, I think what's weird about my relationship to that word is that it sounds like a powerful feeling. It's like, I'm going to do all this stuff. But whenever I've experienced it, it's been like a painful feeling. It's like, I want this thing. I see a huge gap between my life and the life I want. And I feel like I'm on the other side of the glass and it like hurts.

And I think, I think what's weird about my relationship to that word is that it sounds like a powerful feeling. It's like, I'm going to do all this stuff. But whenever I've experienced it, it's been like a painful feeling. It's like, I want this thing. I see a huge gap between my life and the life I want. And I feel like I'm on the other side of the glass and it like hurts.

And I think, I think what's weird about my relationship to that word is that it sounds like a powerful feeling. It's like, I'm going to do all this stuff. But whenever I've experienced it, it's been like a painful feeling. It's like, I want this thing. I see a huge gap between my life and the life I want. And I feel like I'm on the other side of the glass and it like hurts.