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PJ Vogt

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13769 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Now, he's accused of using his personal laptop and downloading more than 14,000 files.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In 2016, Google had just spun its driverless car unit into a new entity, Waymo.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Waymo sued Uber.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Uber had to settle to the tune of $245 million.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And in a separate criminal trial, Anthony Lewandowski pled guilty to stealing trade secrets.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Afterwards, Uber continues their driverless car program without him, continuing to pursue its move fast, break things strategy, which in 2018 leads to the death of a woman named Elaine Hertzberg.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

The way this story was reported, nearly everyone blamed the safety driver.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

She was on her phone.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

She was streaming an episode of The Voice.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

There was some important additional context, which is that Uber's robot driver was also just much worse than Waymo's.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A statistic I found jaw-dropping.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

At this point, Waymo safety drivers were having to take over from the car once every 5,600 miles.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Uber's safety drivers that year had to intervene more than once every 13 miles.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Despite that, five months before the crash, over employee objections, Uber had cut its safety crews.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Instead of two humans, they just used one.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

One safety driver overseeing a robot driver that was arguably not ready to be on public roads.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In the last moments of Elaine Hertzberg's life, the robot spent an indefensible 5.6 seconds trying and failing to guess the shape in the road that was a human body pushing a bike.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Over those 5.6 seconds, the robot kept reclassifying her.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Was she an unknown object?

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A vehicle?