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PJ Vogt

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Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Waymo employs what they call human fleet response agents, human beings who can't remotely drive the cars, but who the car can ask questions to if it gets confused.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

In Santa Monica, the Waymo called one of those humans.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

The human called 911, and this is the strangest part of Waymo's statement.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Apparently, the car then waited at the scene of the accident until the police dismissed it.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

That's what we know so far, but there's two federal agencies investigating this crash, and so we'll have a full report in the future.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

One problem that's not really captured in the safety data that I've seen is what I'd call troubling edge cases.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

You see them in videos on social media.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A Waymo gets stuck at a dead stoplight or blocks an emergency vehicle.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Or an example Timothy gave, Waymos were driving past stopped school buses in Austin.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Timothy pointed to one area where Waymo's not been as transparent as he'd like.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Those human response agents, some of which are based here, some in the Philippines, there's questions about what specifically they do and about how this will all work as Waymo scales up.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

We asked Waymo for comment on everything you heard in this episode, especially the recent safety incidents.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

A spokesperson said that the data to date indicates that the Waymo driver is already making roads safer in the places where they operate and says that Waymo continues to work with policymakers and regulators to improve its technology.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

That's the safety picture so far, which to me, after many months of looking at this and talking to experts, looks pretty good.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

As Waymo continues its rollout, other companies are quickly falling behind.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

There's other robo-taxi companies like Amazon Zoox.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Uber is back in the mix, not making technology, but partnering with these robo-taxi companies.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

And many of those early Waymo engineers are now CEOs of autonomous companies themselves.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Dimitri Dolgov is actually co-CEO at Waymo, but other team members run driverless trucking companies.

Freakonomics Radio
Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

Don Burnett is head of Kodiak AI, which has its technology deployed in driverless trucks in the Permian Basin.