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PJ Vogt

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

This was unprecedented.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

In the past, the FBI had used informants, but the idea that the FBI would run, from the beginning, a company for criminals?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

This was audacious.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

And they hadn't just started a company.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

They'd done it and then managed to successfully compete with the other real criminal phone companies, companies like EncroChat or Sky, that were actually being run for the benefit of criminals.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

So tell me the story from the FBI's perspective.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Like, how did the FBI come to be running, you know, the criminal iPhone company?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Phantom Secure.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Remember, this was the same company that we'd heard the Australian news report about, the precursor to Anon.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

They'd sold tens of thousands of encrypted phones before being taken down by American law enforcement.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

The main reason being that the founder of Phantom Secure, Vincent Ramos, had initially promised to cooperate with the FBI, to actually let them hack into his unhackable network and trace the criminals using it.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

But at the last minute, he changed his mind and tried to flee instead.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

He was too scared of reprisals from former customers.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

which for a moment had left the FBI at a dead end.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Until they noticed another character in the mix.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Afgu.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Remember Afgu?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Before Anam, he'd actually worked with Phantom Secure, and he'd had plans to start his own criminal phone network.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

But now that Afgu saw the feds had arrested the head of Phantom Secure, he got scared.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Were they going to roll him up, too?