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PJ Vogt

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Typically, when someone in an organized crime group flips, the best-case scenario is that the informant might lead you to the head of the group they belong to.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

But here, entire networks could be exposed.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Akon Iyik, the Australian drug kingpin, for instance.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

You could get him.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

You could get his underlings.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

But his phone might also connect you to the head of the Comancheros, a totally different criminal organization.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

He was tight with them.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

If you controlled the phones, if you controlled them entirely, you might wrap up entire criminal social networks.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

So then what does it look like, AFKU and the FBI building a phone network for criminals?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

What's the process?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

American law enforcement found themselves in a strange predicament.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

The FBI employs a lot of smart people, but presumably few who know how to program a new smartphone.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

So now they were outsourcing the work to these coders who were in the dark about the actual mission.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

And so these remote coders who are building this, I mean, it's funny, it's like one of those, the Russian nesting dolls, because theoretically the company is saying they're a phone company, but they're really a phone company for criminals, but they're really a phone company to catch criminals.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Who do these coders think they're working for and what do they think they're making?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

And whose idea is this?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Like, who has the audacious idea to try this?

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

It's easy to imagine the downsides of a plan like this.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

Law enforcement running a bespoke phone network.

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What's the best phone to do crimes on? (classic)

A Verizon, but for people who sell heroin by the shipping container and murder the people who wrong them.