PJ Vogt

I kind of want to like return to the story that you told last time we spoke, but I know not everyone will have listened to that episode.

Can you just tell me like many years ago, you got an anonymous tip, which led to a big reporting project.

Can you just like sort of describe what the tip was and what the reporting project was in brief?

Sure.

At the time that you were writing your story, you didn't know the identity of the person who was leaking to you, but later he was caught, he was arrested, and so you found out his identity.

And so, remember, Trump had been

the first presidential candidate in a long time to not voluntarily disclose his tax returns.

People had a lot of questions about whether he was paying taxes, about his money.

And so I remember the moment that his tax return was published.

I remember the reporting that you guys did about just sort of the way the wealthy were engaging in tax avoidance.

At the time of that reporting, as you were working on it, what was your sort of like...

if you'd stopped and thought, I don't know if you did, but like the best case scenario of like Trump's tax return is going to come to light.

All these other people's tax strategies are going to come to light.

Like what was the like hopeful outcome of what all that could mean?

And so I think one of the feelings I just as a person who wonders about the inner lives of other people, including the president, one of the things I'd wondered about was like, honestly, like, did he care?

You know what I mean?

I was like, does he care?

Can you tell me about the nudes this week?

So tell me about why that's extraordinary.

Tell me about the lawsuit.