PJ Vogt

I mean, you're describing what feels so classically like a collective action problem. And not to say we just all have to get off this, they all have to get off this, but rather it's a system that's hurting people in obvious ways. where no individual can really change their behavior in a way that makes it better.

And I don't know what that calls out for, like if it's different school policies, if it's regulation, if it's different social norms, but like watching the work, I feel like the thing almost any person would come in and walk out with is you're watching a very gentle documentation of an unsolved problem and just sitting in the problem

And I don't know what that calls out for, like if it's different school policies, if it's regulation, if it's different social norms, but like watching the work, I feel like the thing almost any person would come in and walk out with is you're watching a very gentle documentation of an unsolved problem and just sitting in the problem

And I don't know what that calls out for, like if it's different school policies, if it's regulation, if it's different social norms, but like watching the work, I feel like the thing almost any person would come in and walk out with is you're watching a very gentle documentation of an unsolved problem and just sitting in the problem

you feel like there's no way that this can't get better because there's no way it could stay like this.

you feel like there's no way that this can't get better because there's no way it could stay like this.

you feel like there's no way that this can't get better because there's no way it could stay like this.

Part of the curiosity that drove this project for you started with you wondering about your own son. Has this changed your parenting at all, this project?

Part of the curiosity that drove this project for you started with you wondering about your own son. Has this changed your parenting at all, this project?

Part of the curiosity that drove this project for you started with you wondering about your own son. Has this changed your parenting at all, this project?

But the kids of today. Lauren Greenfield. Her series, Social Studies, is up now on FX and Hulu. We'll include a link in our show notes. Lauren, thank you. It's so nice to get to talk to you about this.

But the kids of today. Lauren Greenfield. Her series, Social Studies, is up now on FX and Hulu. We'll include a link in our show notes. Lauren, thank you. It's so nice to get to talk to you about this.

But the kids of today. Lauren Greenfield. Her series, Social Studies, is up now on FX and Hulu. We'll include a link in our show notes. Lauren, thank you. It's so nice to get to talk to you about this.

Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions. It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Shruthi Pinamaneni. Our senior producer is Garrett Graham. This episode was produced by Kim Koople and fact-checked by Claire Hyman. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Brizorian. Additional production support on this episode by Sean Merchant and Noah John.

Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions. It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Shruthi Pinamaneni. Our senior producer is Garrett Graham. This episode was produced by Kim Koople and fact-checked by Claire Hyman. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Brizorian. Additional production support on this episode by Sean Merchant and Noah John.

Search Engine is a presentation of Odyssey and Jigsaw Productions. It was created by me, PJ Vogt, and Shruthi Pinamaneni. Our senior producer is Garrett Graham. This episode was produced by Kim Koople and fact-checked by Claire Hyman. Theme, original composition, and mixing by Armin Brizorian. Additional production support on this episode by Sean Merchant and Noah John.

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