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PJ Vogt

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

I think there's a lot of evidence that that is what is going on here.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Because what ends up happening is Queen Isabella, who has, like, sent Columbus on this journey, when she gets the reports back that some of these people eat people, she says that he's allowed to treat the cannibals differently from the other locals.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Ooh, I see.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

So the incentive structure gets all messed up.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Exactly.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

So she writes—this is the letter she sends—

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Amen.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Amen.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

So basically, the queen appears to be giving Columbus and his fellow colonizers special permission to subjugate and enslave cannibals in a way that he wouldn't be able to with other people.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Because cannibal is sort of linked with a kind of a maximum cruelty or a definition of quote-unquote savagery.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Yes.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

And so what ends up happening, he shows up trying to find gold because, again, he thinks you find gold in hot places.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

There's not as much gold as he was anticipating.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

And so since they're not finding gold, the Spaniards just start looking for people to enslave.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

And that will be the resource that they go after.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

So now, even when they're in Arawak country, they'll just label people there as cannibals.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

Anytime someone resists them, anytime it's convenient, it's like this magic word, cannibal.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

You call someone a cannibal, you can take their rights away.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

There's actually another complicating story here.

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Why don’t we eat people? (classic)

The whole time the Europeans are obsessed with cannibalism, they're practicing cannibalism, just like in a slightly different form.