Professor Alison Wood Brooks

They care about avoiding things that make them disliked that they're unaware of that they're doing.

I would say...

And I guess the fifth one is they care a lot about persuasion.

Remarkably, and Julian Treasure, who did that TED Talk about speaking, told me this.

People don't really care much about listening.

He told me he did two TED Talks.

Like, obviously this is what people, like, because the thing that I will remember the most is the conflict, the issue, the problem, the emotional situation.

Yeah.

People don't think they're boring.

I know.

Yeah.

Yeah, and if the things I'm interested in, by way of me being interested, I think they're interesting.

So I think that, I'm just making stuff up, Pokemon, I think that's the most important interesting thing in the world.

Yeah.

And this is the difference between being interesting and interested.

We think that.

Like I think that the game of being interesting is to show you.

Andrew Bustamante said something to me about this.

He said he's a spy for the CIA for about 10 years.

And he said one of the things you have to train yourself to understand as a spy is that there's a difference between your perspective, which is like what I see right now.