Professor Katriona O'Sullivan

Not at all.

But I don't know if it, like I know we're talking about Maslow, you know, the hierarchy.

I think like self-actualisation is where you're capable of free love and happiness, right?

That's the top of the triangle.

I think you can be connected even if you're homeless.

You can feel love.

You can feel warmth in relationships.

Even if you don't have enough food in your belly, you can know that you're loved and know that you're cared for.

You might not be able to live your optimum life, but I definitely think connection, for me, I think connection is the solution to everything.

Not the other, you know, the other basic.

I think we need the basic things.

But if you're connected, I personally think that's the most important thing is to feel valued.

Well, that's the thing.

So I think I had a good attachment to my dad for the first year.

I think that when people say to me, what is it in you?

I had a really good relationship with my dad for the first year.

Like I was his favourite.

So I think there was some instinct of value put in me through that relationship.

When I turned one, like, my dad had his first prison sentence when I was, like, 18 months or something old.

My brother came along.