Professor Katriona O'Sullivan

I used to look at my baby.

And go, I can't leave him.

Who's going to look after him?

That's not resilience, right?

That's like white knuckle in life.

That's what it is.

And I don't like it when people say, I am resilient, but I don't want to be that resilient.

I want to be like the American version of resilience where we go, God, you can bounce back from anything.

So I survived.

And I survived because there is wonderful people in this world who choose to be kind to bad people.

No, Ray, they saw just a human being.

They did, Ray.

They just like, they saw it.

I don't think they saw something because if we say, well, sorry to interrupt you.

No, go on.

I think we shouldn't make our kindness dependent on a person having something.

We should just make it dependent on them being a person.

There is a person and they may not be doing what I think they should do.

And we may not be doing living the way I think we should do, but they're a person and they were born a baby and they had all the hopes and we should just be kind to them.

And for the people that were kind to me, I am here.