Professor Katriona O'Sullivan

I'm able to say to someone, I know something's going on.

Are you okay?

And they're like, oh, no one else knew.

And I'm like, well, that's because I'm just on all the time.

It was the same day.

Same day.

It was Christmas Day.

He sold the bike.

Yeah.

Like, the saddest parts of the story are them.

Why is that?

Ray, like... Is that because we can all identify with them?

Yeah.

Every child deserves Santa Claus.

Like, we never believed in Santa.

Like, one of the saddest parts of the research I did for poor or check-in was with my brother one day.

And I was like,

did you ever believe in santa and he said never did you and the two of us cried our eyes out for them kids you know i feel like crying now it's them small bits the big bits are like i don't i hope no one can relate because you know the point of telling the story is that poor kids are 10 times more likely to be abused ray like we don't no one talks about that so like

If we let kids grow up destitute as we're doing now, they're more likely to be sexually abused in childhood.

Like we've one in four adults in this country who've experienced trauma like that.