Professor Mariana Mazzucato

We need to think of these things in a much more granular way.

It's not just tax.

But we should also make sure that when governments are speaking to businesses, they don't get kind of bullied.

And, you know, if you change the tax or intellectual property rights, then I'm leaving.

Again, the book is not about everything under the sun.

So I actually have written about tax.

Yeah.

So first of all, the third part of the book where I talk about places, again, it's theory, policy, places.

The places that I look at are both at the local level.

So I argue that we need to reimagine, redesign, and put people at the center of how we design youth centers, community centers, public spaces, public pools.

It's been boiling it in London.

There is very few public pools.

So places where people also learn how to work together and feel valued, but also global places.

So this is your question.

So how can we get countries to work together?

Which countries?

Those countries that even care about having more progressive economy that's inclusive, sustainable, driven by innovation instead of rent-seeking.

So what I look at is the coalition of the willing.

So look at what's happening right now.

And I give examples in the book between Spain, South Africa, and Brazil, for example.