Professor Mariana Mazzucato

And I've been working with all three of those countries in terms of how they're trying to practice what they preach politically.

both in terms of how differently they're dealing with the energy companies, very different in Spain and the UK, but also how to work together.

For example, in South Africa, in preparation for, God forbid, another health pandemic, they have the mRNA hub.

It's a new hub of innovation with different countries working together precisely to avoid doing what Pfizer did, which was the refusal to share the knowledge with African countries.

For a global pandemic, you must share the knowledge because even if you just think about yourself, you want everyone to have access.

to the vaccine.

So it's an innovation collaboration.

I talk about it in the book, which has the common good at the center of how the collaboration happens from the start.

So we don't have to end up sending expired vaccines to Africa, which is what happened in COVID, which is what Dr. Tedros, the head of the WHO, called vaccine apartheid.

Can we just also say how happy we are that Arsenal won the Premier League?