Professor Tim Spector

Because I do feel like when I was growing up, it felt like there was this wonderful rise in life expectancy.

And people are saying, well, people are just going to live more years and more healthy years.

It's getting better and better.

And it feels like we've had all of these successes.

Yeah.

And so when we look at the number of healthy years that people are having in the States, for example, or the UK, what does that mean?

What's been happening to the number of healthy years over the last few decades?

happening?

Why has there been this huge rise in these non-infectious diseases?

And Mark, I know you're just republishing your book, Food Fix, which helps us, I think, to understand some of that.

What's been going on?

And Mark, why do they want to do this?

Because we buy everything in our life from big companies who make things for us.

And I think we normally think that the idea of capitalism is that these companies are incentivized to make something good for us because we buy the best thing and therefore...

they would go and do something better and you can freely choose to switch and that this is, you know, something that is good.

And you're painting a picture, you said that word, I wrote it down, it was sort of like maliciously and intentionally co-opted society.

Why can they make more money selling us stuff that's really bad for us?

That's what I'm curious about.

If I compare that with other industries, I feel that- How much profit can you make on a carrot?

And Tim, I know this is something you study a lot.