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Quinta Jurecic

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The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And now everyone is just, their lives have been completely upended and they're struggling to figure out what is next. And it may well be that a significant number of these people say, you know, I'm just going to move on with my life. I don't want to spend, you know, the next five years of my life litigating my firing. Is it worth it as a matter of principle to fight this out?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And now everyone is just, their lives have been completely upended and they're struggling to figure out what is next. And it may well be that a significant number of these people say, you know, I'm just going to move on with my life. I don't want to spend, you know, the next five years of my life litigating my firing. Is it worth it as a matter of principle to fight this out?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

I suspect for some people it will be. But again, you're going to have a lot of time that is elapsed in the interim.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

I suspect for some people it will be. But again, you're going to have a lot of time that is elapsed in the interim.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

This is actually, when you talk about the separation of powers, one of the big, if not the big advantage that the executive branch has. It's the branch that executes. It's the branch that does stuff. And so it has the ability to kind of create facts on the ground in a way that makes it very difficult to push back or if the judiciary pushes back, it takes time.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

This is actually, when you talk about the separation of powers, one of the big, if not the big advantage that the executive branch has. It's the branch that executes. It's the branch that does stuff. And so it has the ability to kind of create facts on the ground in a way that makes it very difficult to push back or if the judiciary pushes back, it takes time.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Now, I mentioned the sort of separation of powers issue because I think it's important that we've been talking about the courts here. And there's a good reason for that. There have been a lot of lawsuits. The courts are sort of the obvious venue where people are going to fight this out, and the courts are the branch that has pushed back. There's another branch here. And that's Congress. Is there?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Now, I mentioned the sort of separation of powers issue because I think it's important that we've been talking about the courts here. And there's a good reason for that. There have been a lot of lawsuits. The courts are sort of the obvious venue where people are going to fight this out, and the courts are the branch that has pushed back. There's another branch here. And that's Congress. Is there?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

If you read the Constitution, Article 1 is the legislative branch. But did we ever form it? Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is, how do the other branches push back? The judiciary, it takes a lot of time.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

If you read the Constitution, Article 1 is the legislative branch. But did we ever form it? Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is, how do the other branches push back? The judiciary, it takes a lot of time.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

That is the advantage of courts and it is the disadvantage of courts. Congress has the ability, theoretically, let's say, let's sort of set aside the actual people in this actual Congress and talk about Congress as an abstract entity. The theory of the separation of powers is that Congress should be able to step in here as one of the political branches and say, you are usurping our power.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

That is the advantage of courts and it is the disadvantage of courts. Congress has the ability, theoretically, let's say, let's sort of set aside the actual people in this actual Congress and talk about Congress as an abstract entity. The theory of the separation of powers is that Congress should be able to step in here as one of the political branches and say, you are usurping our power.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

You have violated your oath, I would argue, certainly, to take care, to enforce the laws, and to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. We actually saw this work in the first Ukraine impeachment. Obviously, the removal did not succeed, and I'll get to that in a minute.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

You have violated your oath, I would argue, certainly, to take care, to enforce the laws, and to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. We actually saw this work in the first Ukraine impeachment. Obviously, the removal did not succeed, and I'll get to that in a minute.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

But I think what a lot of people forget is that the House of Representatives was extraordinarily successful in uncovering what it was that Donald Trump was doing in attempting to illegally withhold aid to Ukraine. By the way, which in the same way as the government is now attempting to illegally withhold money to any range of states, organizations, individuals.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

But I think what a lot of people forget is that the House of Representatives was extraordinarily successful in uncovering what it was that Donald Trump was doing in attempting to illegally withhold aid to Ukraine. By the way, which in the same way as the government is now attempting to illegally withhold money to any range of states, organizations, individuals.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And that kind of fact-finding and putting that out in the public record can be very successful. Congress could make this stop. if it wanted to. The problem is that it doesn't want to. And this gets to the phrase that has been tossed around a lot, at least in my neck of the woods, is this idea of the separation of parties rather than the separation of powers.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And that kind of fact-finding and putting that out in the public record can be very successful. Congress could make this stop. if it wanted to. The problem is that it doesn't want to. And this gets to the phrase that has been tossed around a lot, at least in my neck of the woods, is this idea of the separation of parties rather than the separation of powers.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Democrats are less likely to push back against executive overreach when a Democrat is in the White House. The same is true for Republicans. I will say not to let anyone off the hook, We saw this dynamic in the beginning of the Biden administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Democrats are less likely to push back against executive overreach when a Democrat is in the White House. The same is true for Republicans. I will say not to let anyone off the hook, We saw this dynamic in the beginning of the Biden administration.