Quinta Jurecic

were just going to take on the opposite role than the one that they had actually signed up for. So the person in charge currently is an agent named Brian Driscoll, who has a great mustache and facial hair. He does not look like what you imagine when you think FBI agent. I encourage everyone to Google him.

were just going to take on the opposite role than the one that they had actually signed up for. So the person in charge currently is an agent named Brian Driscoll, who has a great mustache and facial hair. He does not look like what you imagine when you think FBI agent. I encourage everyone to Google him.

Yeah, I was going to say, it looks like he plays in a ska band, maybe. People call him the Driz, apparently. That is actually what people call him. And the Driz has risen up as a hero. Yeah. Within the Bureau, because he reportedly has really resisted these efforts to push out these agents and has been standing up for them.

Yeah, I was going to say, it looks like he plays in a ska band, maybe. People call him the Driz, apparently. That is actually what people call him. And the Driz has risen up as a hero. Yeah. Within the Bureau, because he reportedly has really resisted these efforts to push out these agents and has been standing up for them.

And as of the time that we're recording, I think the Bureau is kind of locked in this struggle with the Justice Department where... The department has not made any of these mass dismissals, and we're kind of waiting to see what happens next because of the way that FBI leadership has really put its foot down and said no. I think there is a real question about how long they can hold out.

And as of the time that we're recording, I think the Bureau is kind of locked in this struggle with the Justice Department where... The department has not made any of these mass dismissals, and we're kind of waiting to see what happens next because of the way that FBI leadership has really put its foot down and said no. I think there is a real question about how long they can hold out.

But it is really striking to me to see what is happening there, given the extent of the carnage of other organizations like USAID, that the Bureau has been able to hold its own. I think there are a lot of complicated reasons for that. One of them might just be that, you know, you kind of need the security forces if you're going to run a functioning government.

But it is really striking to me to see what is happening there, given the extent of the carnage of other organizations like USAID, that the Bureau has been able to hold its own. I think there are a lot of complicated reasons for that. One of them might just be that, you know, you kind of need the security forces if you're going to run a functioning government.

I had thought that the Trump people didn't care. Maybe they care more than I realized about having a actually skilled, functioning federal law enforcement agency in a way that they did not care about having a functional USAID.

I had thought that the Trump people didn't care. Maybe they care more than I realized about having a actually skilled, functioning federal law enforcement agency in a way that they did not care about having a functional USAID.

The problem is that you actually have to bring the lawsuit after you've been fired. And that takes time. And then the lawsuit has to be litigated. And it takes time to put that together. It takes time to move it through the court. And so what has held back other presidents is really the fact that, you know, you try to fire this person, you're going to be...

The problem is that you actually have to bring the lawsuit after you've been fired. And that takes time. And then the lawsuit has to be litigated. And it takes time to put that together. It takes time to move it through the court. And so what has held back other presidents is really the fact that, you know, you try to fire this person, you're going to be...

grinding it out in court for a really long time, this is going to take up a lot of resources for the administration in litigating out these cases. They may be doing it because they don't care. They may be doing it because they want to argue. that these legal restrictions are actually unconstitutional in some way. That would not surprise me at all if they made that argument.

grinding it out in court for a really long time, this is going to take up a lot of resources for the administration in litigating out these cases. They may be doing it because they don't care. They may be doing it because they want to argue. that these legal restrictions are actually unconstitutional in some way. That would not surprise me at all if they made that argument.

I think they are absolutely trying to set up some of those cases. And so it's really a question of previous administrations having been agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don't care and are going to smash through it. And the problem, as we've been discussing, is that that has a lot of follow-on effects.

I think they are absolutely trying to set up some of those cases. And so it's really a question of previous administrations having been agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don't care and are going to smash through it. And the problem, as we've been discussing, is that that has a lot of follow-on effects.

I believe that they can receive their job back. So it is a question of, on the part of those people, do you actually really want to fight it out? All of these people are people who have... They have kids in school, kids in college. They have, you know, they have to worry about having insurance, right? Maybe they're having a baby. They have obligations. They have lives.

I believe that they can receive their job back. So it is a question of, on the part of those people, do you actually really want to fight it out? All of these people are people who have... They have kids in school, kids in college. They have, you know, they have to worry about having insurance, right? Maybe they're having a baby. They have obligations. They have lives.

And so the question of how you should respond, I think, is necessarily for everyone going to be this balance of how do I weigh this? I mean, there were reports with USAID of the agency calling back people who have been stationed overseas within days. They have kids in school. They have families. They have lives.

And so the question of how you should respond, I think, is necessarily for everyone going to be this balance of how do I weigh this? I mean, there were reports with USAID of the agency calling back people who have been stationed overseas within days. They have kids in school. They have families. They have lives.