Rachel Abrams

Or you can read it to me and I'll read it down.

Yeah, I'll read it off to you.

After the break, we talked to Charles Holmans about the situation on the ground in Minneapolis and how Minneapolis became ground zero for pushback against ICE.

We'll be right back.

I'm Kate Kelly.

I'm an investigative correspondent covering money and influence for The New York Times.

I remember a story that I worked on.

There was a conspiracy theory about this event.

At the time, I thought, that can't be true.

That seems extreme.

So I went about the reporting.

I did a whole ton of interviews.

And I wrote a draft of the story.

But there was a little part of me that thought, you don't quite have this.

So I went back out and did some more reporting, digging into that little piece that was bugging me.

And it turned out the conspiracists were essentially right.

Because I had that extra time and I was willing to be surprised, I think I got the right story and was able to deliver that to our readers.

So I'm really grateful that that open-mindedness is there in me, but is also shot through our institution where the editor will say, yeah, take another two weeks and get it right.

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Charlie, you are currently in Minneapolis.