Rachel Abrams

And where are the Arab countries in all of this, the ones that Trump talks about in his plan, Jordan and Egypt and others? Because Trump is basically suggesting that they would have to take in millions of Palestinian refugees. So what have they said in response to that idea?

What's really striking here is that basically, to put it another way, even if all these Arab countries hated this idea that Trump floated out there, it does actually light a fire under them to meet and start discussing other options.

What's really striking here is that basically, to put it another way, even if all these Arab countries hated this idea that Trump floated out there, it does actually light a fire under them to meet and start discussing other options.

Right, because basically each side wants something that the other side, at least at this point, is absolutely unwilling to give up.

Right, because basically each side wants something that the other side, at least at this point, is absolutely unwilling to give up.

This actually sounds harder than a Rubik's Cube. People have actually solved a Rubik's Cube.

This actually sounds harder than a Rubik's Cube. People have actually solved a Rubik's Cube.

On the one hand, Patrick, it feels like we are exactly where we were before the war started, except obviously now there are tens of thousands of people who are dead. There are more people who are traumatized and radicalized. But on the other hand, we do have some of these leaders in the Arab world at the negotiating table.

On the one hand, Patrick, it feels like we are exactly where we were before the war started, except obviously now there are tens of thousands of people who are dead. There are more people who are traumatized and radicalized. But on the other hand, we do have some of these leaders in the Arab world at the negotiating table.

And so it feels like maybe there's this slight possibility that Trump may have thrown a big enough curveball into the mix that... The logjam could actually be broken, solve the riddle of Gaza, as you called it. So can you just kind of help put this all into perspective for us?

And so it feels like maybe there's this slight possibility that Trump may have thrown a big enough curveball into the mix that... The logjam could actually be broken, solve the riddle of Gaza, as you called it. So can you just kind of help put this all into perspective for us?

Patrick, thank you very much.

Patrick, thank you very much.

Here's what else you need to know today. On Tuesday a group of federal tech workers resigned rather than help Elon Musk and his allies with their agenda to dramatically reshape the federal government. In a scathing letter to the White House, the 21 employees of the U.S.

Here's what else you need to know today. On Tuesday a group of federal tech workers resigned rather than help Elon Musk and his allies with their agenda to dramatically reshape the federal government. In a scathing letter to the White House, the 21 employees of the U.S.

Digital Service said they would not support what they described as the breaking of critical systems and the mishandling of sensitive data. The resignations come after Musk's Department of Government Efficiency in just over one month has ended contracts, laid off workers and shuttered entire federal agencies.

Digital Service said they would not support what they described as the breaking of critical systems and the mishandling of sensitive data. The resignations come after Musk's Department of Government Efficiency in just over one month has ended contracts, laid off workers and shuttered entire federal agencies.

And in a major concession to President Trump, Ukraine has agreed to give the United States money from its mineral resources. The deal follows an intense pressure campaign that included threats and insults as Trump increasingly pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for a quote-unquote payback in exchange for continued support in Ukraine's war with Russia.

And in a major concession to President Trump, Ukraine has agreed to give the United States money from its mineral resources. The deal follows an intense pressure campaign that included threats and insults as Trump increasingly pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for a quote-unquote payback in exchange for continued support in Ukraine's war with Russia.

The details of the deal aren't clear yet, including whether President Trump has committed any specific security support at all. Today's episode was produced by Rochelle Bonja, Caitlin O'Keefe, Michael Simon-Johnson, and Jessica Chung. It was edited by Patricia Willans with help from Paige Cowett. Special thanks to Adam Rasgon.